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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/urban-landscape-design-in-dharavi-a-mumbai-slum/#comment-1663</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At a minute scale, London once had a comparable problem in Lincoln&#039;s Inn Fields. The greenspace was occupied by squatters who slept under sheets of polythene. Eventually, the police cleared them away. They have the same problem in Tokyo public parks and for an inexplicable reason, let them be. Sadly, I am not in favour of public parks becoming squatter camps and then evolving into residential suburbs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a minute scale, London once had a comparable problem in Lincoln&#8217;s Inn Fields. The greenspace was occupied by squatters who slept under sheets of polythene. Eventually, the police cleared them away. They have the same problem in Tokyo public parks and for an inexplicable reason, let them be. Sadly, I am not in favour of public parks becoming squatter camps and then evolving into residential suburbs.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The blue marble photographs are very beautiful. [ http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/features/blue_marble.html ]

I can see from the satelite imaging of Mumbai that Dharavi is in a very desirable location within greater Mumbai. [ http://www.maplandia.com/india/maharashtra/greater-bombay/dharavi/ ] It seems to be already reasonably accessible to civic infrastructure such as schools (including the Don Bosco School and the Institute of Chemical Technology)hospitals, transport and parks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blue marble photographs are very beautiful. [ <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/features/blue_marble.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/features/blue_marble.html</a> ]</p>
<p>I can see from the satelite imaging of Mumbai that Dharavi is in a very desirable location within greater Mumbai. [ <a href="http://www.maplandia.com/india/maharashtra/greater-bombay/dharavi/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.maplandia.com/india/maharashtra/greater-bombay/dharavi/</a> ] It seems to be already reasonably accessible to civic infrastructure such as schools (including the Don Bosco School and the Institute of Chemical Technology)hospitals, transport and parks.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, its a shame about the professions. But they also work together for common goals, as do politicians, doctors, most married couples and the army/navy/airforce.
Remote sensing and, more generally, Geographical Information Systems (GIS), encourage people to work together, as did the famous Blue Marble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, its a shame about the professions. But they also work together for common goals, as do politicians, doctors, most married couples and the army/navy/airforce.<br />
Remote sensing and, more generally, Geographical Information Systems (GIS), encourage people to work together, as did the famous Blue Marble.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the work of V. Raghavswamy, N.C.Gautam, and J. Krishnamurthy reported in their paper &#039;Mapping of Environs of Dharavi Slums of Greater Bombay for the Site Suitability Using Enhanced Landstat Thermal Mapper (TM) Imagery&#039; has been considered in the process? Journal of the Indian Society of Remote Sensing, Vol. 17, No. 1,1989
[ http://www.springerlink.com/content/n46583t7611346v0/fulltext.pdf ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the work of V. Raghavswamy, N.C.Gautam, and J. Krishnamurthy reported in their paper &#8216;Mapping of Environs of Dharavi Slums of Greater Bombay for the Site Suitability Using Enhanced Landstat Thermal Mapper (TM) Imagery&#8217; has been considered in the process? Journal of the Indian Society of Remote Sensing, Vol. 17, No. 1,1989<br />
[ <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/n46583t7611346v0/fulltext.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.springerlink.com/content/n46583t7611346v0/fulltext.pdf</a> ]</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom it is a shame that the professions seem to be set against each other...perhaps they all need to go on a Gilligan&#039;s island style experience and so understand the importance of landscape, architecture and sanitation to quality of life!

You are right the landscape strategies of Milton Keynes deserve greater publicity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom it is a shame that the professions seem to be set against each other&#8230;perhaps they all need to go on a Gilligan&#8217;s island style experience and so understand the importance of landscape, architecture and sanitation to quality of life!</p>
<p>You are right the landscape strategies of Milton Keynes deserve greater publicity.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To have decided on an Art Deco style without resolving any of the underlying problems is bizarre. Apart from a few diplomats houses and Maharaja&#039;s palaces (eg &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/umaid_bhawan_garden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jodhpur&#039;s Umaid Bhawan Palace&lt;/a&gt;) I do not think it had any place in the architectural history of India. My guess is that the unhealthiness of Dharavi would be eliminated in a few years if the residents were given titles to the land they occupy - and since they will not be able to clear the land without riots and unwelcome media coverage of lathi-wielding police charging the poor, they might as way sit down and write out the title deeds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To have decided on an Art Deco style without resolving any of the underlying problems is bizarre. Apart from a few diplomats houses and Maharaja&#8217;s palaces (eg <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/umaid_bhawan_garden" rel="nofollow">Jodhpur&#8217;s Umaid Bhawan Palace</a>) I do not think it had any place in the architectural history of India. My guess is that the unhealthiness of Dharavi would be eliminated in a few years if the residents were given titles to the land they occupy &#8211; and since they will not be able to clear the land without riots and unwelcome media coverage of lathi-wielding police charging the poor, they might as way sit down and write out the title deeds.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The UK landscape profession&#039;s involvement in the New Towns programme was a direct result of a provision in the New Towns Act that special attention would be given to their &#039;landscape treatment&#039;. This provision was a result of successful lobbying by Geoffrey Jellicoe and it resulted in the best 20th century examples, in the UK, of how to relate urban development to its topographic/landscape context. When they stopped using the New Towns Act, after Milton Keynes, the provision no longer affected UK urbanization. The UK Landscape Institute did nothing to publicize the results achieved in the New Towns and no comparable provisions were, so far as I know, included in other legislation. So engineers with fanciful sanitary/health/safety regulations have been able to determine the pattern of urban expansion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK landscape profession&#8217;s involvement in the New Towns programme was a direct result of a provision in the New Towns Act that special attention would be given to their &#8216;landscape treatment&#8217;. This provision was a result of successful lobbying by Geoffrey Jellicoe and it resulted in the best 20th century examples, in the UK, of how to relate urban development to its topographic/landscape context. When they stopped using the New Towns Act, after Milton Keynes, the provision no longer affected UK urbanization. The UK Landscape Institute did nothing to publicize the results achieved in the New Towns and no comparable provisions were, so far as I know, included in other legislation. So engineers with fanciful sanitary/health/safety regulations have been able to determine the pattern of urban expansion.</p>
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		By: Gordon Evans		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Evans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 05:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, I thought that in England we landscape architects had been given a good chance at town planning during the New Town programmes. I always rather liked Milton Keynes, Harlow too, but not many other people seemed to and it didn&#039;t catapult our profession into the apex of the professional hierachy. Why not? Whoever lands at that apex needs a very robust strategy, the pace of new town growth all over the developing world is astonishingly fast and it is a fact of life that economic considerations favour the grid plan and the standard plot that it generates. All deviations from this require very persuasive concepts and often a political overview that is willing to make economic considerations subservient to qualitative judgements. Dictatorships can turn out to be very good clients in this respect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I thought that in England we landscape architects had been given a good chance at town planning during the New Town programmes. I always rather liked Milton Keynes, Harlow too, but not many other people seemed to and it didn&#8217;t catapult our profession into the apex of the professional hierachy. Why not? Whoever lands at that apex needs a very robust strategy, the pace of new town growth all over the developing world is astonishingly fast and it is a fact of life that economic considerations favour the grid plan and the standard plot that it generates. All deviations from this require very persuasive concepts and often a political overview that is willing to make economic considerations subservient to qualitative judgements. Dictatorships can turn out to be very good clients in this respect.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 04:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems the government is ultimately responsible for the redevelopment.

The government intends to rehouse the residents, but only those who lived there prior to 2000. Other objections to the redevelopment by the residents include the amount of land they will be given and whether they will be able to continue their existing small businesses.

Apartently builders thinking of bidding for the project have been cautioned about &quot;the resistance which they will have to face from the slum dwellers since everybody has so far been used to living on the ground level.&quot; [ http://www.financialexpress.com/news/blueprint-for-a-new-dharavi/140257/ ]

So although on the face of it, the residents seem not to be opposed to the redevelopment in principle (they only object to either the loss or dimunition of existing benefits) the political whispers suggest the true situation may be more problematic.

What is the thought process behind the proposed new form? This may be due to the increased height(7 storeys) being necessary to free up land within the development area for uses other than provisions for existing residents. Which means the project has two agendas. Always a difficult starting point.

There are obvious infrastructure issues in the settlement as it exists.
[ http://www.sra.gov.in/htmlpages/Dharavi.htm ] Dharavi is built on a swamp so there are issues also with flooding. So attention would need to be paid not only to the architecture but also to locational issues which might ultimately effect the form of the development and whether it could realistically be maintained in close to its current state.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharavi ]

Art Deco has obviously been adopted as a style considered to have some relationship to existing architecture within the city and perhaps the government believes it will give the new development a more sympathetic and familiar character than a modernist style.

Considering Agenda One: Redevelopment for the benefit of existing residents.

I would not strictly advocate that the area be considered cultural heritage in the way that the Houtong&#039;s of Beijing are. However, if there was a prevailing view among residents that they wished to preserve as much as possible the existing form and pattern of Dharvari - in the first instance I cannot see why this cannot be done. And done well.

The architectural style would then be derived from the settlement as it exists....which seems to be predominantly two storey detached dwellings with the second storey overhanging the first.

After doing a physical survey of the area it is simply a matter of considering all the issues of health and safety and infrastructure provision and working through them systematically and creatively.

Considering Agenda Two: More would need to be known about this? Perhaps it is an issue of how the project is financed? And the desire to provide additional facilities on the site, ie schools, hospital, police stations and post offices. [ http://www.homeless-international.org/standard_1.aspx?id=0:37913&#038;id=1:32596&#038;id=0:380&#038;id=0:277&#038;id=0:262 ]

Another strategy might enable these same facilities to be provided by a different model?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the government is ultimately responsible for the redevelopment.</p>
<p>The government intends to rehouse the residents, but only those who lived there prior to 2000. Other objections to the redevelopment by the residents include the amount of land they will be given and whether they will be able to continue their existing small businesses.</p>
<p>Apartently builders thinking of bidding for the project have been cautioned about &#8220;the resistance which they will have to face from the slum dwellers since everybody has so far been used to living on the ground level.&#8221; [ <a href="http://www.financialexpress.com/news/blueprint-for-a-new-dharavi/140257/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.financialexpress.com/news/blueprint-for-a-new-dharavi/140257/</a> ]</p>
<p>So although on the face of it, the residents seem not to be opposed to the redevelopment in principle (they only object to either the loss or dimunition of existing benefits) the political whispers suggest the true situation may be more problematic.</p>
<p>What is the thought process behind the proposed new form? This may be due to the increased height(7 storeys) being necessary to free up land within the development area for uses other than provisions for existing residents. Which means the project has two agendas. Always a difficult starting point.</p>
<p>There are obvious infrastructure issues in the settlement as it exists.<br />
[ <a href="http://www.sra.gov.in/htmlpages/Dharavi.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sra.gov.in/htmlpages/Dharavi.htm</a> ] Dharavi is built on a swamp so there are issues also with flooding. So attention would need to be paid not only to the architecture but also to locational issues which might ultimately effect the form of the development and whether it could realistically be maintained in close to its current state.<br />
[ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharavi" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharavi</a> ]</p>
<p>Art Deco has obviously been adopted as a style considered to have some relationship to existing architecture within the city and perhaps the government believes it will give the new development a more sympathetic and familiar character than a modernist style.</p>
<p>Considering Agenda One: Redevelopment for the benefit of existing residents.</p>
<p>I would not strictly advocate that the area be considered cultural heritage in the way that the Houtong&#8217;s of Beijing are. However, if there was a prevailing view among residents that they wished to preserve as much as possible the existing form and pattern of Dharvari &#8211; in the first instance I cannot see why this cannot be done. And done well.</p>
<p>The architectural style would then be derived from the settlement as it exists&#8230;.which seems to be predominantly two storey detached dwellings with the second storey overhanging the first.</p>
<p>After doing a physical survey of the area it is simply a matter of considering all the issues of health and safety and infrastructure provision and working through them systematically and creatively.</p>
<p>Considering Agenda Two: More would need to be known about this? Perhaps it is an issue of how the project is financed? And the desire to provide additional facilities on the site, ie schools, hospital, police stations and post offices. [ <a href="http://www.homeless-international.org/standard_1.aspx?id=0:37913&#038;id=1:32596&#038;id=0:380&#038;id=0:277&#038;id=0:262" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.homeless-international.org/standard_1.aspx?id=0:37913&#038;id=1:32596&#038;id=0:380&#038;id=0:277&#038;id=0:262</a> ]</p>
<p>Another strategy might enable these same facilities to be provided by a different model?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Urban designers have done better, but landscape architects have been far too timid about taking a lead and explaining to society at large how towns should grow and change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urban designers have done better, but landscape architects have been far too timid about taking a lead and explaining to society at large how towns should grow and change.</p>
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