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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-urban-design-start-with-architecture-landscape-infrastructure-or-music/#comment-4940&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

If music comes first, we are then faced with the problem of who chooses the music. Is it the urban designer? Also, how do we ascertain that someone has the necessary talent in urban design?  I regard the books, though inspiring, as inadequate. And we can hardly call for experience, because making cities takes so long. And we cannot rely on college degrees obtained by reading inadequate books. Could staffing problems be the reason for twentieth century cities having been so disappointing?
&lt;em&gt;PS I really like the phrase &#039;object oriented&#039; in connection with an incomprehension of what urban design involves&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-urban-design-start-with-architecture-landscape-infrastructure-or-music/#comment-4940">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>If music comes first, we are then faced with the problem of who chooses the music. Is it the urban designer? Also, how do we ascertain that someone has the necessary talent in urban design?  I regard the books, though inspiring, as inadequate. And we can hardly call for experience, because making cities takes so long. And we cannot rely on college degrees obtained by reading inadequate books. Could staffing problems be the reason for twentieth century cities having been so disappointing?<br />
<em>PS I really like the phrase &#8216;object oriented&#8217; in connection with an incomprehension of what urban design involves</em></p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, it would seem that urban design is not object oriented (ie buildings, gardens or roads etc) but rather is about the relationship between things (ie building, gardens and roads etc).

For this reason in my opinion it is something that is best studied either within projects at the urban scale at undergraduate or as a dedicated qualification at postgraduate level.

Music is a good place to start because it can teach the student so many things, about harmony, dissonance and composition as well as voice (artistry) etc that are difficult to convey in studios because they are viewed as &#039;subjective&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it would seem that urban design is not object oriented (ie buildings, gardens or roads etc) but rather is about the relationship between things (ie building, gardens and roads etc).</p>
<p>For this reason in my opinion it is something that is best studied either within projects at the urban scale at undergraduate or as a dedicated qualification at postgraduate level.</p>
<p>Music is a good place to start because it can teach the student so many things, about harmony, dissonance and composition as well as voice (artistry) etc that are difficult to convey in studios because they are viewed as &#8216;subjective&#8217;.</p>
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