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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4861&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;.

I would be delighted if the Afghans could prosper on Guar beans - but am pessimistic about the prospects (without knowing much about it).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4861">Adam</a>.</p>
<p>I would be delighted if the Afghans could prosper on Guar beans &#8211; but am pessimistic about the prospects (without knowing much about it).</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The article &#039;Afghan farmers a force for good&#039; ends by confirming how poor the locals are and how long it&#039;ll be to develop some wealth to pay for the necessary infrastructure. I suggest this is were Guar comes into its own,, especially if the farmers can sell into a copoerative that can then sell on the world mrket. Bigger profits will get back to the farmers quickly and percolate through the economy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article &#8216;Afghan farmers a force for good&#8217; ends by confirming how poor the locals are and how long it&#8217;ll be to develop some wealth to pay for the necessary infrastructure. I suggest this is were Guar comes into its own,, especially if the farmers can sell into a copoerative that can then sell on the world mrket. Bigger profits will get back to the farmers quickly and percolate through the economy.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4859&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

You can&#039;t legislate for &#039;good&#039; taste but drawing attention to &#039;bad&#039; taste seems a fair policy, for architecture and for gardens http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/04/28/bad-garden-design-america/
The UK had something similar to Australia&#039;s Criminal Assets Confiscation Taskforce. It was called the Assets Recovery Agency and in 2005 had 180 staff, and an annual budget of £15.5m. Unfortunately it only recovered £4.6m in 2005 and it was merged with another agency in 2008. Fighting crime pays as well, or perhaps better, than crime itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4859">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t legislate for &#8216;good&#8217; taste but drawing attention to &#8216;bad&#8217; taste seems a fair policy, for architecture and for gardens <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/04/28/bad-garden-design-america/" rel="ugc">http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/04/28/bad-garden-design-america/</a><br />
The UK had something similar to Australia&#8217;s Criminal Assets Confiscation Taskforce. It was called the Assets Recovery Agency and in 2005 had 180 staff, and an annual budget of £15.5m. Unfortunately it only recovered £4.6m in 2005 and it was merged with another agency in 2008. Fighting crime pays as well, or perhaps better, than crime itself.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thankyou Tom. If it is ever necessary to illustrate bad taste in architecture the Poppy Palaces and Narcotecture will be great exemplars! Perhaps they need a scheme like there is in Australia which attempts to confiscate the proceeds of crime?

&quot;The Criminal Assets Confiscation Taskforce brings together resources from the Australian Federal Police (AFP), Australian Crime Commission (ACC), Australian Taxation Office (ATO) and the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP) with the aim of enhancing the identification and pursuit of the profits of organised crime, where there is a link to a Commonwealth offence.

The Taskforce has been established as a Commonwealth-level measure to address the threat posed by organised crime. It has been estimated that organised crime costs Australia between $10-$15 billion dollars every year, representing a significant threat to Australian society. Organised criminal syndicates have become more business-like in their approach to laundering money and acquiring assets.&quot;

Goodness knows what you could use these palaces for once they were confiscated?

I am not sure that Guar is the best alternative crop as it would seem that it is most useful as an export. Afganistan seems to need to have its own sustainable agriculture to build a domestic economy and feed the nation in peace time?
[ http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/29/07/2012/134135/Afghan-farmers-a-force-for-good.htm ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou Tom. If it is ever necessary to illustrate bad taste in architecture the Poppy Palaces and Narcotecture will be great exemplars! Perhaps they need a scheme like there is in Australia which attempts to confiscate the proceeds of crime?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Criminal Assets Confiscation Taskforce brings together resources from the Australian Federal Police (AFP), Australian Crime Commission (ACC), Australian Taxation Office (ATO) and the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions (CDPP) with the aim of enhancing the identification and pursuit of the profits of organised crime, where there is a link to a Commonwealth offence.</p>
<p>The Taskforce has been established as a Commonwealth-level measure to address the threat posed by organised crime. It has been estimated that organised crime costs Australia between $10-$15 billion dollars every year, representing a significant threat to Australian society. Organised criminal syndicates have become more business-like in their approach to laundering money and acquiring assets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Goodness knows what you could use these palaces for once they were confiscated?</p>
<p>I am not sure that Guar is the best alternative crop as it would seem that it is most useful as an export. Afganistan seems to need to have its own sustainable agriculture to build a domestic economy and feed the nation in peace time?<br />
[ <a href="http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/29/07/2012/134135/Afghan-farmers-a-force-for-good.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/29/07/2012/134135/Afghan-farmers-a-force-for-good.htm</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4857&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;.

It would certainly be a great thing for Afghan farmers to have an alternative to poppies. The Kabul skyline is said to be domonated by &lt;a href=&quot;http://trueslant.com/pjtobia/2009/07/12/narcotecture-a-photo-tour-of-kabuls-poppy-palaces/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Poppy Palaces and Narcotecture&lt;/a&gt;.  Guartecture would be a wholesome alternative.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4857">Adam</a>.</p>
<p>It would certainly be a great thing for Afghan farmers to have an alternative to poppies. The Kabul skyline is said to be domonated by <a href="http://trueslant.com/pjtobia/2009/07/12/narcotecture-a-photo-tour-of-kabuls-poppy-palaces/" rel="nofollow">Poppy Palaces and Narcotecture</a>.  Guartecture would be a wholesome alternative.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the Afghans are aware of the significant returns that can be earnt from growing Guar.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar
Many Indian farmers are starting to see some major beneficial changes to their wealth and consequently to the local economy from growing Guar bean, which is increasingly being used to a great extent in the intrnational mining industry. It might be a better crop than Marijuana both economically and in terms of soil husbandry, as it also fixes nitrogen in the soil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Afghans are aware of the significant returns that can be earnt from growing Guar.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guar</a><br />
Many Indian farmers are starting to see some major beneficial changes to their wealth and consequently to the local economy from growing Guar bean, which is increasingly being used to a great extent in the intrnational mining industry. It might be a better crop than Marijuana both economically and in terms of soil husbandry, as it also fixes nitrogen in the soil.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4855&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that those who intervene in Afghanistan &#039;get what they deserve&#039;. Rich industrialised countries should not spend their resources in blowing poor people to smitherines.  What would we think if the Taliban decided that tobacco and alcohol were such evils that they were justified in rolling their military into Europe or America?
Part of the problem is that any politician who tries to talk sense about drugs is immediately attacked by the propular press as an outlandish heretic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4855">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that those who intervene in Afghanistan &#8216;get what they deserve&#8217;. Rich industrialised countries should not spend their resources in blowing poor people to smitherines.  What would we think if the Taliban decided that tobacco and alcohol were such evils that they were justified in rolling their military into Europe or America?<br />
Part of the problem is that any politician who tries to talk sense about drugs is immediately attacked by the propular press as an outlandish heretic.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 02:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Worse still is the links in the drug trade to human trafficking. In Afghanistan the war on drugs (and the attempts to replace drug crops with food crops) has resulted in the indebtedness of farmers and the kidnapping or sale of their children to traffickers. [ http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052605.html ],[ http://www.payvand.com/news/06/sep/1048.html ] and [ http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/featureArticleAS/cache/offonce?entryId=20387 ]

The first and third world effects of the drugs trade are very different but they are linked as with other economic activity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse still is the links in the drug trade to human trafficking. In Afghanistan the war on drugs (and the attempts to replace drug crops with food crops) has resulted in the indebtedness of farmers and the kidnapping or sale of their children to traffickers. [ <a href="http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052605.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1052605.html</a> ],[ <a href="http://www.payvand.com/news/06/sep/1048.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.payvand.com/news/06/sep/1048.html</a> ] and [ <a href="http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/featureArticleAS/cache/offonce?entryId=20387" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/featureArticleAS/cache/offonce?entryId=20387</a> ]</p>
<p>The first and third world effects of the drugs trade are very different but they are linked as with other economic activity.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4853&quot;&gt;Lawrence&lt;/a&gt;.

I very much like Lawrence&#039;s last remark that &#039;talking about addiction is not helpful. Addiction is a minority problem, one that must be addressed, but not one that should drive the debate&#039;. Somehow, there has to be an intelligent debate which includes all the social, economic, health etc dimensions of drugs. Two other points:
1) just as the health hazards of tobacco are listed on packets, the health hazards of marijuana should also be explained and, indeed, compared with those of alcohol and tobacco
2) the negative side effects of banning drugs should be analysed and quantified. They include providing vast revenues to organized crime and destabalizing producer countries. The Taliban is thought to get about half its income from drug.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/should-marijuana-be-grown-in-uruguays-gardens-and-parks/#comment-4853">Lawrence</a>.</p>
<p>I very much like Lawrence&#8217;s last remark that &#8216;talking about addiction is not helpful. Addiction is a minority problem, one that must be addressed, but not one that should drive the debate&#8217;. Somehow, there has to be an intelligent debate which includes all the social, economic, health etc dimensions of drugs. Two other points:<br />
1) just as the health hazards of tobacco are listed on packets, the health hazards of marijuana should also be explained and, indeed, compared with those of alcohol and tobacco<br />
2) the negative side effects of banning drugs should be analysed and quantified. They include providing vast revenues to organized crime and destabalizing producer countries. The Taliban is thought to get about half its income from drug.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Dutch approach to marijuana has certainly grown strange fruits. Their policy has had the effect of giving the free market total dominance. How has it reacted? Firstly, to cut out risk. Importation over several customs borders, with the accompanying risk of imprisonment in non-liberal countries, was the first to go, and the Dutch naturally turned to their market gardening expertise to enable the growth of marijuana under artificial conditions in northern Europe. It is now very difficult indeed to find those products of the 1970&#039;s - &quot;paki black&quot;, &quot;afghani black&quot;, &quot;nepalise temple balls&quot;, &quot;lebanese red&quot;, &quot;thai sticks&quot; outside of the specialist coffee shops of Amsterdam. Secondly, to reduce bulking. Again, the Dutch market gardeners have been breeding increasingly powerful forms of marijuana for over two decades. &quot;Skunk&quot; has a thc content - the active ingredient - that is estimated at now 20 times the concentration of native products. Thirdly, to increase harvesting times. In Asia, marijuana has an annual cycle, the plants are ready for harvest in August to September. Dutch strains now allow for harvesting on a 6 week cycle. Does all of this matter? My answer is yes, it does. Marijuana was once a social drug, like drinking prosecco it encouraged conversation and the appreciation of music and visual arts. To smoke &quot;skunk&quot; on the other hand is like exchanging your prosecco for half a bottle of vodka, one only has to spend a few hours in Amsterdam in the evening to see all of the zombies gazing blankly at the video screens that are a feature of all of the bars in the canal district to see the results. I am always surprised, given the strength of opinion in Europe against gene-manipulated vegetables, that this state of affairs does not lead to more - or any - critical comment. I am in support of the Uruguay initiative because - as we can see in so many other areas of our lives - an unrestricted free market will take a logical course that can prove to be self-destructive. On another note: the knee jerk reaction to open a conversation about drug related issues by talking about addiction is not helpful. Addiction is a minority problem, one that must be addressed, but not one that should drive the debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dutch approach to marijuana has certainly grown strange fruits. Their policy has had the effect of giving the free market total dominance. How has it reacted? Firstly, to cut out risk. Importation over several customs borders, with the accompanying risk of imprisonment in non-liberal countries, was the first to go, and the Dutch naturally turned to their market gardening expertise to enable the growth of marijuana under artificial conditions in northern Europe. It is now very difficult indeed to find those products of the 1970&#8217;s &#8211; &#8220;paki black&#8221;, &#8220;afghani black&#8221;, &#8220;nepalise temple balls&#8221;, &#8220;lebanese red&#8221;, &#8220;thai sticks&#8221; outside of the specialist coffee shops of Amsterdam. Secondly, to reduce bulking. Again, the Dutch market gardeners have been breeding increasingly powerful forms of marijuana for over two decades. &#8220;Skunk&#8221; has a thc content &#8211; the active ingredient &#8211; that is estimated at now 20 times the concentration of native products. Thirdly, to increase harvesting times. In Asia, marijuana has an annual cycle, the plants are ready for harvest in August to September. Dutch strains now allow for harvesting on a 6 week cycle. Does all of this matter? My answer is yes, it does. Marijuana was once a social drug, like drinking prosecco it encouraged conversation and the appreciation of music and visual arts. To smoke &#8220;skunk&#8221; on the other hand is like exchanging your prosecco for half a bottle of vodka, one only has to spend a few hours in Amsterdam in the evening to see all of the zombies gazing blankly at the video screens that are a feature of all of the bars in the canal district to see the results. I am always surprised, given the strength of opinion in Europe against gene-manipulated vegetables, that this state of affairs does not lead to more &#8211; or any &#8211; critical comment. I am in support of the Uruguay initiative because &#8211; as we can see in so many other areas of our lives &#8211; an unrestricted free market will take a logical course that can prove to be self-destructive. On another note: the knee jerk reaction to open a conversation about drug related issues by talking about addiction is not helpful. Addiction is a minority problem, one that must be addressed, but not one that should drive the debate.</p>
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