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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 05:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A battle is taking shape on London&#039;s streets. Cyclists are fighting for their rights. Transport planners are making reluctant concessions but trying to retain the old order. Cycling facilities are improving but remain a token response to rapidly increasing cycle usage. (Sorry about my slow response.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A battle is taking shape on London&#8217;s streets. Cyclists are fighting for their rights. Transport planners are making reluctant concessions but trying to retain the old order. Cycling facilities are improving but remain a token response to rapidly increasing cycle usage. (Sorry about my slow response.)</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jan Gehl in his 2003 study you posted said that condition for cyclists needed to be improved. He
identified that there was a lack of cycling facilities in London. Is this still true?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan Gehl in his 2003 study you posted said that condition for cyclists needed to be improved. He<br />
identified that there was a lack of cycling facilities in London. Is this still true?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4701&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I sometimes worry that the US enthusiasm for military adventures came from the &#039;Ole Country.  The British still go in for more of them than they should but I much prefer militarism in public parks to militarism in other people&#039;s countries. So, yes, I agree, there is probably more good than bad to this trend.  I am not keen on football crowds or cruise ships either but I would much rather people were on/in them than tramping on/in historic sites and occupying ugly hotels in beautiful places.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4701">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>I sometimes worry that the US enthusiasm for military adventures came from the &#8216;Ole Country.  The British still go in for more of them than they should but I much prefer militarism in public parks to militarism in other people&#8217;s countries. So, yes, I agree, there is probably more good than bad to this trend.  I am not keen on football crowds or cruise ships either but I would much rather people were on/in them than tramping on/in historic sites and occupying ugly hotels in beautiful places.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like a walk in the park compared to the real thing...[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az2a9y0JLGE ] and [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cmte5GiS4 ].

The idea of paying a lot of money to be treated really badly sounds like the scenerio in the restuarant from the Peter Greenaway film &#039;the cook, the thief, his wife and her lover.&#039; So yes, it is a little bit disturbing.

This film seemed to suggest you only get treated badly in the most fashionable of places...[ http://www.visitlondon.com/attractions/eat/michelinstarred-restaurants ]. Gordon Ramsay certainly seems to typify this phenomenon?

Perhaps office workers are feeling a general lack of structure and discipline in their lives?

So maybe there is a good side and a bad side to this trend?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a walk in the park compared to the real thing&#8230;[ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az2a9y0JLGE" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az2a9y0JLGE</a> ] and [ <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cmte5GiS4" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cmte5GiS4</a> ].</p>
<p>The idea of paying a lot of money to be treated really badly sounds like the scenerio in the restuarant from the Peter Greenaway film &#8216;the cook, the thief, his wife and her lover.&#8217; So yes, it is a little bit disturbing.</p>
<p>This film seemed to suggest you only get treated badly in the most fashionable of places&#8230;[ <a href="http://www.visitlondon.com/attractions/eat/michelinstarred-restaurants" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.visitlondon.com/attractions/eat/michelinstarred-restaurants</a> ]. Gordon Ramsay certainly seems to typify this phenomenon?</p>
<p>Perhaps office workers are feeling a general lack of structure and discipline in their lives?</p>
<p>So maybe there is a good side and a bad side to this trend?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4699&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the links and for the explanation of active in relation to space. Greenwich Park is becoming more active by the day, but not quite in your sense. The big change in the past 5 years has been more and more organized activity. The most visible organizer, though there are many others, is militaristic outfit called British Military Fitness http://www.britmilfit.com/. People pay lots of money to be treated really badly. Yobs in camouflage pants and hob nailed boots yell at pudgy office workers to &#039;Get the xxxx on with it&#039;. One begins to wonder about their bedroom habits!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4699">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the links and for the explanation of active in relation to space. Greenwich Park is becoming more active by the day, but not quite in your sense. The big change in the past 5 years has been more and more organized activity. The most visible organizer, though there are many others, is militaristic outfit called British Military Fitness <a href="http://www.britmilfit.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.britmilfit.com/</a>. People pay lots of money to be treated really badly. Yobs in camouflage pants and hob nailed boots yell at pudgy office workers to &#8216;Get the xxxx on with it&#8217;. One begins to wonder about their bedroom habits!</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 01:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems that the designer of Parliament Square did consider cyclists by providing them with a dedicated cycle path and a blue cycle station. But why not more comprehensively? Perhaps if Tom joined the first political event - a cycle-in similar to the event in Amsterdam - at the new Parliament Square cyclists might gain the required attention in the design of the public realm?

Perhaps there are some statistics in the UK that would support increased expenditure on cycling to reduce the size of the health budget? [ http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/National-urban-planning-design-protocol.pdf ]

The cycle tubes could be an example of crime prevention through environmental design (see attached glossary) for example Tom would be safe from snowball weilding teenagers in winter. [ http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/documents/business/Urban%20renewal/20081125%20urban%20design%20terms%20explained.pdf ]

Active space is used in architecture to describe the use of buildings at ground level for high use public activities such as cafes, restaurants etc. [ http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/cafes/broadbeach-diningstrip.jpg ] In landscape it usually describes design which formally or informally encourages a high level of interactive activity. See informal active landscape[ http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/burleigh/burleigh-beach-markets.jpg ] and formal active landscape [ http://www.businessgc.com.au/uploads/images/Newsletter%20pics/rockpools.jpg ].]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the designer of Parliament Square did consider cyclists by providing them with a dedicated cycle path and a blue cycle station. But why not more comprehensively? Perhaps if Tom joined the first political event &#8211; a cycle-in similar to the event in Amsterdam &#8211; at the new Parliament Square cyclists might gain the required attention in the design of the public realm?</p>
<p>Perhaps there are some statistics in the UK that would support increased expenditure on cycling to reduce the size of the health budget? [ <a href="http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/National-urban-planning-design-protocol.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/National-urban-planning-design-protocol.pdf</a> ]</p>
<p>The cycle tubes could be an example of crime prevention through environmental design (see attached glossary) for example Tom would be safe from snowball weilding teenagers in winter. [ <a href="http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/documents/business/Urban%20renewal/20081125%20urban%20design%20terms%20explained.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/documents/business/Urban%20renewal/20081125%20urban%20design%20terms%20explained.pdf</a> ]</p>
<p>Active space is used in architecture to describe the use of buildings at ground level for high use public activities such as cafes, restaurants etc. [ <a href="http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/cafes/broadbeach-diningstrip.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/cafes/broadbeach-diningstrip.jpg</a> ] In landscape it usually describes design which formally or informally encourages a high level of interactive activity. See informal active landscape[ <a href="http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/burleigh/burleigh-beach-markets.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.4220.com.au/site/DefaultSite/filesystem/images/burleigh/burleigh-beach-markets.jpg</a> ] and formal active landscape [ <a href="http://www.businessgc.com.au/uploads/images/Newsletter%20pics/rockpools.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessgc.com.au/uploads/images/Newsletter%20pics/rockpools.jpg</a> ].</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4696&quot;&gt;Grant&lt;/a&gt;.

I would not want the cycle tubes to take up street space. The example I have had in mind is the railway from Greenwich to London Bridge, which is straight and is crossed by few bridges. The tubes could soar above it and I think the quality of the views and freshness of the air would be much better in the cycle tube than on the train. I used to cycle the trip on the A2 but the air was foul and the traffic dangerous so I now take my bike on the train. If there was a nice tube then (1) it would cost no money (2) the view would be much better (3) there would be no waiting for trains (4) it would work all night (5) I think the journey time would be reduced (6) the cost/trip would be vastly less than in a fossil-fuel powered system.
So I would swoosh into Central London and THEN enjoy the air and sun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4696">Grant</a>.</p>
<p>I would not want the cycle tubes to take up street space. The example I have had in mind is the railway from Greenwich to London Bridge, which is straight and is crossed by few bridges. The tubes could soar above it and I think the quality of the views and freshness of the air would be much better in the cycle tube than on the train. I used to cycle the trip on the A2 but the air was foul and the traffic dangerous so I now take my bike on the train. If there was a nice tube then (1) it would cost no money (2) the view would be much better (3) there would be no waiting for trains (4) it would work all night (5) I think the journey time would be reduced (6) the cost/trip would be vastly less than in a fossil-fuel powered system.<br />
So I would swoosh into Central London and THEN enjoy the air and sun.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 15:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4695&quot;&gt;Adrian Clarke&lt;/a&gt;.

It could resemble the Hong Kong elevator visually, but not mechanically, and in order for the air system to work there would have to be either two tubes or a reversible tube. The decision would depend on demand.  I wish they had built a cycle tube above the DLR to take people to the 2012 Olympics. Instead of this they are going to close roads and make life more of a hell for Londoners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/parliament-square-urban-landscape-redesign-lcc/#comment-4695">Adrian Clarke</a>.</p>
<p>It could resemble the Hong Kong elevator visually, but not mechanically, and in order for the air system to work there would have to be either two tubes or a reversible tube. The decision would depend on demand.  I wish they had built a cycle tube above the DLR to take people to the 2012 Olympics. Instead of this they are going to close roads and make life more of a hell for Londoners.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cycle tubes are the last stand, Cars should be stuffed in tubes while we enjoy the fresh air, don&#039;t you think?

Especially on a glorious day like today :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cycle tubes are the last stand, Cars should be stuffed in tubes while we enjoy the fresh air, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Especially on a glorious day like today 🙂</p>
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		By: Adrian Clarke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the idea of your air-assisted cycling tube but would it be like the famous escalator on Victoria Peak in Hong Kong, which - from memory - takes people down the hill in the morning and reverses direction in the afternoon!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of your air-assisted cycling tube but would it be like the famous escalator on Victoria Peak in Hong Kong, which &#8211; from memory &#8211; takes people down the hill in the morning and reverses direction in the afternoon!</p>
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