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		By: sustainable landscape architecture		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sustainable landscape architecture]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think landscape architects have a lot of work to do in cities like Shangai. And not only in cities, but also in intermediate landscapes. I am studying a masters degree about it, and every day I think more about it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think landscape architects have a lot of work to do in cities like Shangai. And not only in cities, but also in intermediate landscapes. I am studying a masters degree about it, and every day I think more about it.<br />
Jonathan</p>
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		By: Rajan Mistry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rajan Mistry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 08:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi guys, I currently live/work in Shanghai and must say, I&#039;ve been very impressed with what I&#039;ve been seeing on a day to day basis. At first glance, there doesn&#039;t seem to be nearly enough green spaces, but a quick walk in any direct will reveal a hidden park commemorating the local hero. As Shanghai grow denser by the day, I worry about the state of the city&#039;s green spaces when there are many more people occupying the buildings surrounding it. Shanghai does not have the massive-scale City Parks that it should, and many of the large parks have giant lakes in them which reduce the usable land so significantly it makes me sad to think of how appropriate the land is for vegetation. Unfortunately, working in a landscape firm here, I&#039;ve realised how difficult it is to convince a developer to pursue a project in which there isn&#039;t a large, central, dominating lake. In fact, they come to the table with the expectation of a lake.

I take the Shanghai Metro everywhere along with miles of footsteps on the weekends, as do many, many Chinese that I see daily. Formerly having been living in Los Angeles, I think it&#039;s a real step up from LA, where you have to drive a couple miles to take a leak. Downtown Shanghai is just about 8 miles square, so that has been the focus of my adventures, but I can&#039;t say I&#039;m too excited about what appear to be ugly, sprawling mid-rises city-round. But how else to accommodate the masses that head Shanghai-wards for their bread-n-butter?

I&#039;m not sticking to the point. We need more landscape here, before we cover all the bloody land in towers.

As for the the concept of an 100-year international city lease in Africa, I&#039;m very curious about this idea... ! This could be a very interesting idea, but I worry of the actions being done against the best interests of the locals. I grew up in Zambia [yes, yes, I&#039;m quite international] and Chinese industries and businesses play a big role in the Zambian economy. So much so, in fact, that when Hillary Clinton went over to increase trade with Zambia at the expense of the Chinese, the government told her that their governments were very close and there would be no possibly of such a trade off. Truth be told, Zambia is the only African country I know of that trades in Renminbi (Chinese Yuan), but the current government was elected on the primary platform of controlling what Chinese businesses can and cannot do in the country, and what their role should be in the economic betterment of the locals.

As for Hong Kong, that all happened because of the Opium Wars, but the concept of allowing a rich foreign government to be sovereign to a land on a 100-year lease makes me spin with questions. A key factor would be a strategic location/resource that is of long-term value to the foreign government. Zambian copper mines? This would make Zambians incredibly angry, and possibly violent... war? Zambia would lose. --- 100-year lease? Sure!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, I currently live/work in Shanghai and must say, I&#8217;ve been very impressed with what I&#8217;ve been seeing on a day to day basis. At first glance, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be nearly enough green spaces, but a quick walk in any direct will reveal a hidden park commemorating the local hero. As Shanghai grow denser by the day, I worry about the state of the city&#8217;s green spaces when there are many more people occupying the buildings surrounding it. Shanghai does not have the massive-scale City Parks that it should, and many of the large parks have giant lakes in them which reduce the usable land so significantly it makes me sad to think of how appropriate the land is for vegetation. Unfortunately, working in a landscape firm here, I&#8217;ve realised how difficult it is to convince a developer to pursue a project in which there isn&#8217;t a large, central, dominating lake. In fact, they come to the table with the expectation of a lake.</p>
<p>I take the Shanghai Metro everywhere along with miles of footsteps on the weekends, as do many, many Chinese that I see daily. Formerly having been living in Los Angeles, I think it&#8217;s a real step up from LA, where you have to drive a couple miles to take a leak. Downtown Shanghai is just about 8 miles square, so that has been the focus of my adventures, but I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m too excited about what appear to be ugly, sprawling mid-rises city-round. But how else to accommodate the masses that head Shanghai-wards for their bread-n-butter?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sticking to the point. We need more landscape here, before we cover all the bloody land in towers.</p>
<p>As for the the concept of an 100-year international city lease in Africa, I&#8217;m very curious about this idea&#8230; ! This could be a very interesting idea, but I worry of the actions being done against the best interests of the locals. I grew up in Zambia [yes, yes, I&#8217;m quite international] and Chinese industries and businesses play a big role in the Zambian economy. So much so, in fact, that when Hillary Clinton went over to increase trade with Zambia at the expense of the Chinese, the government told her that their governments were very close and there would be no possibly of such a trade off. Truth be told, Zambia is the only African country I know of that trades in Renminbi (Chinese Yuan), but the current government was elected on the primary platform of controlling what Chinese businesses can and cannot do in the country, and what their role should be in the economic betterment of the locals.</p>
<p>As for Hong Kong, that all happened because of the Opium Wars, but the concept of allowing a rich foreign government to be sovereign to a land on a 100-year lease makes me spin with questions. A key factor would be a strategic location/resource that is of long-term value to the foreign government. Zambian copper mines? This would make Zambians incredibly angry, and possibly violent&#8230; war? Zambia would lose. &#8212; 100-year lease? Sure!</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 02:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if there is more to the story of the legacy of Berwick-upon-Tweed? [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweed_(cloth) ] Although located on the Tweed River it does not seem to be important for its association with the cloth industry.

Its origins are as a Norse town. However, prior to Roman occupation the area was associated with the Brythons. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brython ]

As such, culturally perhaps it is different to Scotland as it is usually conceived. The Scots typically are said to have displaced the Picts in order to occupy Scotland. However, the shifting borders would suggest there has probably been much cultural and genetic sharing over the centuries.

Do you know anything of the custom of &quot;specially mentioning Berwick-upon-Tweed after Wales, though abandoned in acts of parliament, is retained in certain proclamations.&quot;?

[ http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Berwick-upon-Tweed ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is more to the story of the legacy of Berwick-upon-Tweed? [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweed_(cloth)" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweed_(cloth)</a> ] Although located on the Tweed River it does not seem to be important for its association with the cloth industry.</p>
<p>Its origins are as a Norse town. However, prior to Roman occupation the area was associated with the Brythons. [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brython" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brython</a> ]</p>
<p>As such, culturally perhaps it is different to Scotland as it is usually conceived. The Scots typically are said to have displaced the Picts in order to occupy Scotland. However, the shifting borders would suggest there has probably been much cultural and genetic sharing over the centuries.</p>
<p>Do you know anything of the custom of &#8220;specially mentioning Berwick-upon-Tweed after Wales, though abandoned in acts of parliament, is retained in certain proclamations.&#8221;?</p>
<p>[ <a href="http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Berwick-upon-Tweed" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Berwick-upon-Tweed</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Berwick is culturally part of Scotland but owes much of its present form to the English. Now that these two countries have stopped fighting each other other it should be returned to Scotland, as Hong Kong was to China.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berwick is culturally part of Scotland but owes much of its present form to the English. Now that these two countries have stopped fighting each other other it should be returned to Scotland, as Hong Kong was to China.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hard to say. I am not sure what the philosophy was behind international cities? [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_city ]

I wonder if a little modern day friendly co-operative development might not result in charming and modern and develop a incredible historical legacy?
[ http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/monarchs/johnballiol.html ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to say. I am not sure what the philosophy was behind international cities? [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_city" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_city</a> ]</p>
<p>I wonder if a little modern day friendly co-operative development might not result in charming and modern and develop a incredible historical legacy?<br />
[ <a href="http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/monarchs/johnballiol.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/monarchs/johnballiol.html</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have not been to HK but &#039;fascinating&#039; would seem a better choice of adjective than &#039;charming&#039;. Do you think the time might come when China will be profoundly grateful to the British for having developed the city, and would it be a good idea for an African country to give a 100 year lease on an an urban site to the Chinese?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been to HK but &#8216;fascinating&#8217; would seem a better choice of adjective than &#8216;charming&#8217;. Do you think the time might come when China will be profoundly grateful to the British for having developed the city, and would it be a good idea for an African country to give a 100 year lease on an an urban site to the Chinese?</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How about Hong Kong....&quot;the most dazzling place on this planet after Manhattan&quot;?
[ http://blog.fortumo.com/2009/10/13/fortumo-unveils-the-charm-of-oriental-pearl-%E2%80%93-hong-kong/ ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Hong Kong&#8230;.&#8221;the most dazzling place on this planet after Manhattan&#8221;?<br />
[ <a href="http://blog.fortumo.com/2009/10/13/fortumo-unveils-the-charm-of-oriental-pearl-%E2%80%93-hong-kong/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.fortumo.com/2009/10/13/fortumo-unveils-the-charm-of-oriental-pearl-%E2%80%93-hong-kong/</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It should be possible to combine modernity with charm - but I am having difficulty thinking of architectural or landscape examples!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be possible to combine modernity with charm &#8211; but I am having difficulty thinking of architectural or landscape examples!</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 03:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Sofitel in New York is supposed to exhibit the qualities of &#039;elegance&#039; and &#039;charm&#039;. I believe it is neither an elegant building [http://miphz.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/elegance/ ], nor a charming one [ http://www.jillcourtemanche.com/collections/bridal.php ].

I wonder, what is the existing charm of New York? [ http://paularuisidesign.com/closet.htm ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sofitel in New York is supposed to exhibit the qualities of &#8216;elegance&#8217; and &#8216;charm&#8217;. I believe it is neither an elegant building [http://miphz.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/elegance/ ], nor a charming one [ <a href="http://www.jillcourtemanche.com/collections/bridal.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jillcourtemanche.com/collections/bridal.php</a> ].</p>
<p>I wonder, what is the existing charm of New York? [ <a href="http://paularuisidesign.com/closet.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://paularuisidesign.com/closet.htm</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Definitely, the Manhattan pic has &#039;aesthetic quality&#039; - but in the terminology of the 18th century I would call it Sublime rather than Beautiful. And I think many people would rather have their cities &#039;charming&#039; then either of these &#039;artist&#039;s&#039; qualities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, the Manhattan pic has &#8216;aesthetic quality&#8217; &#8211; but in the terminology of the 18th century I would call it Sublime rather than Beautiful. And I think many people would rather have their cities &#8216;charming&#8217; then either of these &#8216;artist&#8217;s&#8217; qualities.</p>
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