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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Oct 2013 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How much activity on the Thames is port activity? Is it a significant proportion of the cities economic activity?

What other navigational activities besides trade occur on the Thames?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much activity on the Thames is port activity? Is it a significant proportion of the cities economic activity?</p>
<p>What other navigational activities besides trade occur on the Thames?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Oct 2013 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-sightseeing-a-cruise-on-a-river-thames-boat/#comment-5635&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I am glad to hear about the differentiation of Australian cities and wonder how this could be encouraged by differentiating  their government structures. It is a bit too easy for national governments to think of how things &#039;ought&#039; to be done and then creating too much uniformity (of schools, hospitals, parks etc etc). In fact there are lots of good ways of doing things and much to be gained from diversity.
One of the big problems with the River Thames is that it has been run by an organisation (the Port of London Authority) which set up when it was a great port city. This has ended but the PLA often appears to act as though in hope of the port activity reviving. They do not encourage non-navigational use of the waterspace. The current mayor has argued for the PLA to merged into the Greater London Authority - and I think he is right. It needs to be a civic asset instead of an industrial asset.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-sightseeing-a-cruise-on-a-river-thames-boat/#comment-5635">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>I am glad to hear about the differentiation of Australian cities and wonder how this could be encouraged by differentiating  their government structures. It is a bit too easy for national governments to think of how things &#8216;ought&#8217; to be done and then creating too much uniformity (of schools, hospitals, parks etc etc). In fact there are lots of good ways of doing things and much to be gained from diversity.<br />
One of the big problems with the River Thames is that it has been run by an organisation (the Port of London Authority) which set up when it was a great port city. This has ended but the PLA often appears to act as though in hope of the port activity reviving. They do not encourage non-navigational use of the waterspace. The current mayor has argued for the PLA to merged into the Greater London Authority &#8211; and I think he is right. It needs to be a civic asset instead of an industrial asset.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely agree.

Sydney&#039;s waterfront is so spectacular it is often neglectful of the rest of the city in the way other cities are not. The harbour is also a grand arena and very different to the grand arena of Port Phillip Bay - the setting of its southern sister city of Melbourne - which can also boast to being a river city (like London) as it is also set on the Yarra River.

The Yarra river, because of the distraction of Melbourne&#039;s bayside setting with its many bayside beaches, is also a newly discovered asset of the city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree.</p>
<p>Sydney&#8217;s waterfront is so spectacular it is often neglectful of the rest of the city in the way other cities are not. The harbour is also a grand arena and very different to the grand arena of Port Phillip Bay &#8211; the setting of its southern sister city of Melbourne &#8211; which can also boast to being a river city (like London) as it is also set on the Yarra River.</p>
<p>The Yarra river, because of the distraction of Melbourne&#8217;s bayside setting with its many bayside beaches, is also a newly discovered asset of the city.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2013 04:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-sightseeing-a-cruise-on-a-river-thames-boat/#comment-5633&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you. It is very useful to have a non-resident&#039;s perspective on London. I entirely agree that &#039;The number one planning policy principle should be to start from the point of uniqueness - then explore the elements of sameness&#039;  and would add that the elements of difference are also in need of exploration. &#039;London&#039; is not one thing and &#039;the Thames waterfront&#039; is not one thing. Some reaches of the Thames are of high quality and historic importance - and should be conserved. Others are pretty shoddy and therefore require enlightened planning and design. This does not mean that Shanghai&#039;s waterfront should be &#039;Shanghaied&#039; (conscripted). There can be a &#039;London way&#039; of moving forward. So I think there are two flaws in Rem Koolhaas&#039; argument (1) he speaks as though &#039;London&#039; was a single thing (2) he implies that because London lacks &#039;drama&#039; it would be OK for it to have &#039;the full Shanghai&#039; treatment - which one might describe as &#039;a cluster of pepper pots&#039; http://www.chavannes.nl/images/shanghai-bund-view.jpg. Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sydney etc have spectacular waterfronts which many people admire. The dull parts of London&#039;s waterfront can be much better than they are without aping the waterfronts of other cities with different geographies, histories and peoples.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-sightseeing-a-cruise-on-a-river-thames-boat/#comment-5633">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you. It is very useful to have a non-resident&#8217;s perspective on London. I entirely agree that &#8216;The number one planning policy principle should be to start from the point of uniqueness &#8211; then explore the elements of sameness&#8217;  and would add that the elements of difference are also in need of exploration. &#8216;London&#8217; is not one thing and &#8216;the Thames waterfront&#8217; is not one thing. Some reaches of the Thames are of high quality and historic importance &#8211; and should be conserved. Others are pretty shoddy and therefore require enlightened planning and design. This does not mean that Shanghai&#8217;s waterfront should be &#8216;Shanghaied&#8217; (conscripted). There can be a &#8216;London way&#8217; of moving forward. So I think there are two flaws in Rem Koolhaas&#8217; argument (1) he speaks as though &#8216;London&#8217; was a single thing (2) he implies that because London lacks &#8216;drama&#8217; it would be OK for it to have &#8216;the full Shanghai&#8217; treatment &#8211; which one might describe as &#8216;a cluster of pepper pots&#8217; <a href="http://www.chavannes.nl/images/shanghai-bund-view.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.chavannes.nl/images/shanghai-bund-view.jpg</a>. Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sydney etc have spectacular waterfronts which many people admire. The dull parts of London&#8217;s waterfront can be much better than they are without aping the waterfronts of other cities with different geographies, histories and peoples.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[London should definitely be on the list. But it is probably a quiet achiever.

There are so many other things that London is famous for - that it is almost a &#039;by the way&#039; statement, &quot;it is worth taking a ferry ride on the Thames from Greenwich to Central London&quot; etc. Greenwich does have a well developed publicly accessible waterfront.

Also, along the Thames itself, the character of the river changes constantly. Sometimes this character is its strength and charm sometimes it is a weakness when development becomes less cohesive and the riverside more foreboding. But the varying character overall, with its sense sometimes of stillness and sometimes of movement along the banks is a very good quality.

It is enticing how sometimes buildings cling closely to the banks creating one type of opportunity and at other times set back from the bank with promenades and parks, while at others the jagged development edge allows an interesting layering of the buildings beside the water.

The number one planning policy principle should be to start from the point of uniqueness - then explore the elements of sameness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London should definitely be on the list. But it is probably a quiet achiever.</p>
<p>There are so many other things that London is famous for &#8211; that it is almost a &#8216;by the way&#8217; statement, &#8220;it is worth taking a ferry ride on the Thames from Greenwich to Central London&#8221; etc. Greenwich does have a well developed publicly accessible waterfront.</p>
<p>Also, along the Thames itself, the character of the river changes constantly. Sometimes this character is its strength and charm sometimes it is a weakness when development becomes less cohesive and the riverside more foreboding. But the varying character overall, with its sense sometimes of stillness and sometimes of movement along the banks is a very good quality.</p>
<p>It is enticing how sometimes buildings cling closely to the banks creating one type of opportunity and at other times set back from the bank with promenades and parks, while at others the jagged development edge allows an interesting layering of the buildings beside the water.</p>
<p>The number one planning policy principle should be to start from the point of uniqueness &#8211; then explore the elements of sameness.</p>
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