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	Comments on: London cycling die-in protest outside TfL offices on 29th November 2013	</title>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2014 05:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Proposal to the LCC London Cycling Campaign for a large-scale cycling protest http://lcc.org.uk/discussions/great-2015-die-in-protest-and-london-cycling-festival]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proposal to the LCC London Cycling Campaign for a large-scale cycling protest <a href="http://lcc.org.uk/discussions/great-2015-die-in-protest-and-london-cycling-festival" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lcc.org.uk/discussions/great-2015-die-in-protest-and-london-cycling-festival</a></p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 06:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5705&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes and yes.  They are talking about mirrors &amp; blind spots but do not yet have a rule. The famous danger point of this autumn is Bow Roundabout: http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/bow-roundabout.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmTB2U90FQ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5705">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Yes and yes.  They are talking about mirrors &#038; blind spots but do not yet have a rule. The famous danger point of this autumn is Bow Roundabout: <a href="http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/bow-roundabout.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/bow-roundabout.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmTB2U90FQ" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmTB2U90FQ</a></p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 04:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could they fine trucks for not having mirrors to cover their blind spots or ban them from the centre of London? Are there particular intersections or parts of London were this problem is worse than others?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could they fine trucks for not having mirrors to cover their blind spots or ban them from the centre of London? Are there particular intersections or parts of London were this problem is worse than others?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 07:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5703&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Both of them. The common factor in most of the tragedies was trucks with blind spots not covered by their mirrors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5703">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Both of them. The common factor in most of the tragedies was trucks with blind spots not covered by their mirrors.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 02:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did the fatalities in London occur inside or outside the designated cycle lanes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the fatalities in London occur inside or outside the designated cycle lanes?</p>
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		By: Jerry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 01:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>🙁</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2013 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5700&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Here is Simon Jenkins view of London cyclists &#039;But then wildcat cycling is a facet of London’s zany street culture. It is the citizen pitching anarchy against regulation, personal freedom against a draconian state. Like many freedoms, this one is dangerous — but not as dangerous as headlines suggest.&#039; http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/simon-jenkins-roads-will-be-risky-for-cyclists-whatever-we-do-8948926.html I do not think Londoners are aggressive, even now, but they have always been willing to take up arms for a good cause - as Charles I, Napoleon and Hitler discovered. London cyclists are now manning and womaning the barricades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5700">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Here is Simon Jenkins view of London cyclists &#8216;But then wildcat cycling is a facet of London’s zany street culture. It is the citizen pitching anarchy against regulation, personal freedom against a draconian state. Like many freedoms, this one is dangerous — but not as dangerous as headlines suggest.&#8217; <a href="http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/simon-jenkins-roads-will-be-risky-for-cyclists-whatever-we-do-8948926.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/simon-jenkins-roads-will-be-risky-for-cyclists-whatever-we-do-8948926.html</a> I do not think Londoners are aggressive, even now, but they have always been willing to take up arms for a good cause &#8211; as Charles I, Napoleon and Hitler discovered. London cyclists are now manning and womaning the barricades.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2013 01:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting to know that different cyclists from different nations having differing cycle cultures! Please tell me more about &#039;boy-racer-wildcat&#039; habits? Do the girl cyclists in London exhibit these traits too?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to know that different cyclists from different nations having differing cycle cultures! Please tell me more about &#8216;boy-racer-wildcat&#8217; habits? Do the girl cyclists in London exhibit these traits too?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2013 14:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5698&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

All suggestions for imaginative protests gratefully received!
In Germany and Japan (for example) they mark cycle lanes on pavements. In London there are some pavements (eg Regent Street) where not a single cyclist could be accommodated. But there are other very-wide pavements with hardly any pedestrians. So they should look at the issue yard-by-yard and not have any general principle.
Another problem in London is that cyclists have boy-racer-wildcat habits. They are not not gentlefolk, like Japanese cyclists, or well-behaved, like Dutch cyclists. So it can be a real issue if pedestrians or dogs, let alone trucks, stray onto cycle lanes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/london-cycling-die-in-protest-outside-tfl-offices-on-29th-novembe2013/#comment-5698">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>All suggestions for imaginative protests gratefully received!<br />
In Germany and Japan (for example) they mark cycle lanes on pavements. In London there are some pavements (eg Regent Street) where not a single cyclist could be accommodated. But there are other very-wide pavements with hardly any pedestrians. So they should look at the issue yard-by-yard and not have any general principle.<br />
Another problem in London is that cyclists have boy-racer-wildcat habits. They are not not gentlefolk, like Japanese cyclists, or well-behaved, like Dutch cyclists. So it can be a real issue if pedestrians or dogs, let alone trucks, stray onto cycle lanes.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2013 04:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another way would be for cyclists to ride on the pavements in a cluster with a motor cyclist front and back on the way to work in peak hour.

This would disrupt pedestrians - rather than endanger their lives - but make the point that cyclists don&#039;t belong on pavements (because they endanger pedestrians) and don&#039;t belong on roads (because they are endangered by cars) but need their own transit space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way would be for cyclists to ride on the pavements in a cluster with a motor cyclist front and back on the way to work in peak hour.</p>
<p>This would disrupt pedestrians &#8211; rather than endanger their lives &#8211; but make the point that cyclists don&#8217;t belong on pavements (because they endanger pedestrians) and don&#8217;t belong on roads (because they are endangered by cars) but need their own transit space.</p>
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