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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-200</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is an instance of landscape photography....http://amadeusleitner.googlepages.com/landscape

It captures something of the &#039;essence&#039; of what it is that draws us in....makes us want to notice the big &#039;dramas&#039; and the small &#039;flourishes&#039; in nature.

Movements in life in the natural world parallels movements in our own.

Franz Leitner also works as an architectural designer (rather than architect?);

&quot;In working as an architectural designer, I have come to recognize that the exceptional spaces we inhabit deserve reverence to those who created them.  I have great respect for Artists, Architects, Landscape Architects, Craftsmen, and the Patrons of these professions.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an instance of landscape photography&#8230;.<a href="http://amadeusleitner.googlepages.com/landscape" rel="nofollow ugc">http://amadeusleitner.googlepages.com/landscape</a></p>
<p>It captures something of the &#8216;essence&#8217; of what it is that draws us in&#8230;.makes us want to notice the big &#8216;dramas&#8217; and the small &#8216;flourishes&#8217; in nature.</p>
<p>Movements in life in the natural world parallels movements in our own.</p>
<p>Franz Leitner also works as an architectural designer (rather than architect?);</p>
<p>&#8220;In working as an architectural designer, I have come to recognize that the exceptional spaces we inhabit deserve reverence to those who created them.  I have great respect for Artists, Architects, Landscape Architects, Craftsmen, and the Patrons of these professions.&#8221;</p>
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		By: stefan		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-199</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[landscape design in an urban context? thats a copout perhaps but the only short answer. i&#039;d argue that a space is a space and the principles behind designing it are the same. how you apply these principles of course is a matter of context and can rely on specialised knowledge depending on what arena you operate in.

heres another West8 design that perhaps blurs the boundaries between the two:

http://www.landartbasics.co.uk/html/square.html

i think i said it was like bringing a field into the city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>landscape design in an urban context? thats a copout perhaps but the only short answer. i&#8217;d argue that a space is a space and the principles behind designing it are the same. how you apply these principles of course is a matter of context and can rely on specialised knowledge depending on what arena you operate in.</p>
<p>heres another West8 design that perhaps blurs the boundaries between the two:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.landartbasics.co.uk/html/square.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.landartbasics.co.uk/html/square.html</a></p>
<p>i think i said it was like bringing a field into the city.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are right of course - plants solely do not define natural landscapes. (And it could be a moonscape!)Although most deserts do have plant life of some sort: this hard baked landscape is probably the most sparse in terms of ecological features I could find with a quick image search.
www.edgeofexistence.org/edgeblog/?cat=14

Diurnal to nocturnal and seasonal variations adds another dimension. With deserts topography, geology, wildlife and the societies and cultures that the desert supports (both permanent and transitory)are all important.

Created landscapes. West8&#039;s Schouwburgplein in Rotterdam. Would they say it is an example of Urban Design or Landscape Design? How do you think they would distinguish between the two types of design problems?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right of course &#8211; plants solely do not define natural landscapes. (And it could be a moonscape!)Although most deserts do have plant life of some sort: this hard baked landscape is probably the most sparse in terms of ecological features I could find with a quick image search.<br />
<a href="http://www.edgeofexistence.org/edgeblog/?cat=14" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.edgeofexistence.org/edgeblog/?cat=14</a></p>
<p>Diurnal to nocturnal and seasonal variations adds another dimension. With deserts topography, geology, wildlife and the societies and cultures that the desert supports (both permanent and transitory)are all important.</p>
<p>Created landscapes. West8&#8217;s Schouwburgplein in Rotterdam. Would they say it is an example of Urban Design or Landscape Design? How do you think they would distinguish between the two types of design problems?</p>
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		By: stefan		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-197</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sure! i guess a desert is still a landscape, no matter how arid it is, and then there are projects such as West8&#039;s Schouwburgplein in Rotterdam.

when i said there were no boundaries, i should have said there don&#039;t have to be boundaries. you can use them in the landscape too of course - to create tension and mystery, a sense of transition, or to conceal and then reveal views]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure! i guess a desert is still a landscape, no matter how arid it is, and then there are projects such as West8&#8217;s Schouwburgplein in Rotterdam.</p>
<p>when i said there were no boundaries, i should have said there don&#8217;t have to be boundaries. you can use them in the landscape too of course &#8211; to create tension and mystery, a sense of transition, or to conceal and then reveal views</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure. I would agree. I usually think of landscape projects as not including architecture, or including architecture only as a secondary component of the environment ie. botantic gardens, urban parks in general, wilderness areas with minor landscape interventions (and huts) etc or even regeneration projects (ie. post industrial processes such as mining).

But then, we architects happy turn our hand to many things, such as campus planning and masterplanning and also design building complexes and compose buildings with indoor and outdoor areas and atria all of which means we sometimes dabble in landscape (however inexpertly)!

Because of this we also arrange outdoor space, consider how one space leads to another and how the feeling changes as it does so.

There are boundaries in architecture (which can both be occupied and moved through and across) and architects rather delight in them. Especially the condition of being on the boundary for example a porch or a verandah or a patio or a deck or a window seat or a juilet balcony, or a conservatory or an outdoor room.....

Transitions: well you can have a lot of fun with them! They can be as fluid or disjointed, as slow or as fast, as easily understood or as difficult, as transparent or translucent, as ephemeral or solid as you like!

Weather does wonderful things to architectural materials that we are rather impressed by too, for example the greying of timber and the greening of copper. And you can always grow plants on and in architecture in a variety of ways!

If there was no plant in sight - would it still be a landscape?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure. I would agree. I usually think of landscape projects as not including architecture, or including architecture only as a secondary component of the environment ie. botantic gardens, urban parks in general, wilderness areas with minor landscape interventions (and huts) etc or even regeneration projects (ie. post industrial processes such as mining).</p>
<p>But then, we architects happy turn our hand to many things, such as campus planning and masterplanning and also design building complexes and compose buildings with indoor and outdoor areas and atria all of which means we sometimes dabble in landscape (however inexpertly)!</p>
<p>Because of this we also arrange outdoor space, consider how one space leads to another and how the feeling changes as it does so.</p>
<p>There are boundaries in architecture (which can both be occupied and moved through and across) and architects rather delight in them. Especially the condition of being on the boundary for example a porch or a verandah or a patio or a deck or a window seat or a juilet balcony, or a conservatory or an outdoor room&#8230;..</p>
<p>Transitions: well you can have a lot of fun with them! They can be as fluid or disjointed, as slow or as fast, as easily understood or as difficult, as transparent or translucent, as ephemeral or solid as you like!</p>
<p>Weather does wonderful things to architectural materials that we are rather impressed by too, for example the greying of timber and the greening of copper. And you can always grow plants on and in architecture in a variety of ways!</p>
<p>If there was no plant in sight &#8211; would it still be a landscape?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[by the way, i&#039;d like to contest the definition of landscape architecture given above. what about the landscape architect who works on the trail system for a national park, or creates a new area of woodland? neither of which has anything to do with buildings. i think landscape architecture, simply, is the arrangement of outdoor space. its about how one space leads to the next and how the feeling changes as it does so. it differs from architecture in that;

there are no boundaries

the transition between spaces is more fluid

the spaces are subject to constant change through natural processes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, i&#8217;d like to contest the definition of landscape architecture given above. what about the landscape architect who works on the trail system for a national park, or creates a new area of woodland? neither of which has anything to do with buildings. i think landscape architecture, simply, is the arrangement of outdoor space. its about how one space leads to the next and how the feeling changes as it does so. it differs from architecture in that;</p>
<p>there are no boundaries</p>
<p>the transition between spaces is more fluid</p>
<p>the spaces are subject to constant change through natural processes</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[great pics christine.

youre right, my original post applies mainly to &#039;ordinary&#039; domestic buidings. religous and civic buildings would have been designed to stand out from their surroundings, emphasising their importance.

&#039;understanding the difference between created and natural beauty&#039; i love that. perhaps theres room for some sort of overlap?

i&#039;ll try and get a look at that project. unfortunately, everytime i use Flash my computer crashes! poor old things a bit buggy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great pics christine.</p>
<p>youre right, my original post applies mainly to &#8216;ordinary&#8217; domestic buidings. religous and civic buildings would have been designed to stand out from their surroundings, emphasising their importance.</p>
<p>&#8216;understanding the difference between created and natural beauty&#8217; i love that. perhaps theres room for some sort of overlap?</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll try and get a look at that project. unfortunately, everytime i use Flash my computer crashes! poor old things a bit buggy.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I walked up to the monastery at Meteora in a thick mist (many years ago) and could see nothing. I think the monks gave us a glass of cold water. When we came out the mist had cleared and the experience was wonderful. The girl I walked with was called Cathy Morningstar.
Regarding the context-insensitivity of International Modern architecture, I think it used to be, in part, a matter of principle. Just as artists and sculptors wanted to &#039;abstract&#039; themselves from the drawing rooms and facades, so architects wanted to create a new and abstract design style. They wanted it to be free of stories and historic styles. Though not explicitly rejected, &#039;context&#039; fell into the same category.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I walked up to the monastery at Meteora in a thick mist (many years ago) and could see nothing. I think the monks gave us a glass of cold water. When we came out the mist had cleared and the experience was wonderful. The girl I walked with was called Cathy Morningstar.<br />
Regarding the context-insensitivity of International Modern architecture, I think it used to be, in part, a matter of principle. Just as artists and sculptors wanted to &#8216;abstract&#8217; themselves from the drawing rooms and facades, so architects wanted to create a new and abstract design style. They wanted it to be free of stories and historic styles. Though not explicitly rejected, &#8216;context&#8217; fell into the same category.</p>
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		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/li-landscape-institute-policies/#comment-192</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the solution to this dilemma is understanding the difference between natural beauty and created beauty?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the solution to this dilemma is understanding the difference between natural beauty and created beauty?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would suggest it was a little more complex that (the purpose of the building &#038; the social context in which it was constructed also influenced siting and materials selection.)

Note the incredible but different siting and design of these Greek monasteries: http://www.mit.edu/people/dimitrib/Monasteries_Photos/S_panel2_page.html.

I thought of your beach house when I was viewing this project online in Australia;

http://www.oconnorandhoule.com/www_o+h_proj08.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest it was a little more complex that (the purpose of the building &amp; the social context in which it was constructed also influenced siting and materials selection.)</p>
<p>Note the incredible but different siting and design of these Greek monasteries: <a href="http://www.mit.edu/people/dimitrib/Monasteries_Photos/S_panel2_page.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mit.edu/people/dimitrib/Monasteries_Photos/S_panel2_page.html</a>.</p>
<p>I thought of your beach house when I was viewing this project online in Australia;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oconnorandhoule.com/www_o+h_proj08.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.oconnorandhoule.com/www_o+h_proj08.html</a></p>
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