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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5600&quot;&gt;Mohammad Motallebi&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for an interesting comment. As you say, every society has to wrestle with the pull of the past and the pull of the future and, on the whole, I think they pay not enough attention to the past. BUT we need to be careful to keep what is valuable in the past and to adopt only what is good about the future. To take an example from outside landscape architecture, I think girls should be allowed to ride bicycles in all Middle Eastern countries. But to take an example from inside landscape architecture, I think there are much more important things in Iran&#039;s garden tradition than its geometry and I do not think the idea of making large lawns is at all well suited to the Middle East.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5600">Mohammad Motallebi</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for an interesting comment. As you say, every society has to wrestle with the pull of the past and the pull of the future and, on the whole, I think they pay not enough attention to the past. BUT we need to be careful to keep what is valuable in the past and to adopt only what is good about the future. To take an example from outside landscape architecture, I think girls should be allowed to ride bicycles in all Middle Eastern countries. But to take an example from inside landscape architecture, I think there are much more important things in Iran&#8217;s garden tradition than its geometry and I do not think the idea of making large lawns is at all well suited to the Middle East.</p>
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		By: Mohammad Motallebi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammad Motallebi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2013 16:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This photo shows the social and cultural realities in Iran. We are in transition from a traditional to a modern society since about 100 years ago. But traditions have strong roots in Iran. The roots that can be traced in our language, religion and lifestyle. Our Society has not been able, or perhaps willing to cut these roots.
However, globalization trend has affected us like all other developing countries. In such circumstances, all that remain from Iranian’s traditional culture is a fantasy, a mixture of traditions and modernity! Exactly same as you said about our president, Mr Rouhani. Iranians have a nostalgia of their history although they like to join to the global culture. That&#039;s why you sometimes encounter the contrasting scenes in Iran which no one can explain them well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This photo shows the social and cultural realities in Iran. We are in transition from a traditional to a modern society since about 100 years ago. But traditions have strong roots in Iran. The roots that can be traced in our language, religion and lifestyle. Our Society has not been able, or perhaps willing to cut these roots.<br />
However, globalization trend has affected us like all other developing countries. In such circumstances, all that remain from Iranian’s traditional culture is a fantasy, a mixture of traditions and modernity! Exactly same as you said about our president, Mr Rouhani. Iranians have a nostalgia of their history although they like to join to the global culture. That&#8217;s why you sometimes encounter the contrasting scenes in Iran which no one can explain them well.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 06:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5598&quot;&gt;Mahdi Khansefid&lt;/a&gt;.

The video makes me want to buy a ticket and climb the mountain (in the spring, that is). As a type of space the mountain trail is, I guess, a a global idea and, I have to say, could have been better designed (eg like the walks around the Acropolis and Pynx and&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/acropolis_and_philopopos_walks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Philopappos&lt;/a&gt; by Pikionis ). I would also love to visit Jamshidieh Park but would want to take an angle grinder in order to remove the fencing! Could I swim in the pool?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5598">Mahdi Khansefid</a>.</p>
<p>The video makes me want to buy a ticket and climb the mountain (in the spring, that is). As a type of space the mountain trail is, I guess, a a global idea and, I have to say, could have been better designed (eg like the walks around the Acropolis and Pynx and<a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/acropolis_and_philopopos_walks" rel="nofollow"> Philopappos</a> by Pikionis ). I would also love to visit Jamshidieh Park but would want to take an angle grinder in order to remove the fencing! Could I swim in the pool?</p>
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		By: Mahdi Khansefid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahdi Khansefid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel a personal attachment to that place, as one of these parks is near where I lived and the other is very close to where I studied Environmental Design! To have a better feeling of the sense of place there (both social and natural), please see the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB5qgTCT77o

As you may notice in this short video (even the soundtrack), there are many signs of globalisation and rapid changes in everything including the design of landscapes and a broader sense the city itself.

As far as I know, recently there have been some attempts by the Municipality of Tehran to reproduce the geometry and sense of Persian gardens in the rare remnant patches of &#039;private gardens&#039; in the densely built up areas of Tehran and convert them into &#039;public parks&#039;! I have not been to any of these these places yet and cannot comment on the details and to what extent they have been successful in meeting the climatic and social needs of the contemporary lives of the people who use them but it&#039;s a new experience in today&#039;s landscape architecture practice of Iran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a personal attachment to that place, as one of these parks is near where I lived and the other is very close to where I studied Environmental Design! To have a better feeling of the sense of place there (both social and natural), please see the following.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB5qgTCT77o" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB5qgTCT77o</a></p>
<p>As you may notice in this short video (even the soundtrack), there are many signs of globalisation and rapid changes in everything including the design of landscapes and a broader sense the city itself.</p>
<p>As far as I know, recently there have been some attempts by the Municipality of Tehran to reproduce the geometry and sense of Persian gardens in the rare remnant patches of &#8216;private gardens&#8217; in the densely built up areas of Tehran and convert them into &#8216;public parks&#8217;! I have not been to any of these these places yet and cannot comment on the details and to what extent they have been successful in meeting the climatic and social needs of the contemporary lives of the people who use them but it&#8217;s a new experience in today&#8217;s landscape architecture practice of Iran.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5597</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5596&quot;&gt;Mahdi Khansefid&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your comment and for the correction.
I see context-sensitive landscape design as a worldwide problem and as a particular problem AND OPPORTUNITY for the landscape profession. It is a problem because of globalisation and it is an opportunity because context-sensitive design is both more necessary and, I think, easier for landscape architects than for building architects.  If you are going to build in glass, concrete and steel, and your building is going to be climate controlled, then the form is likely to result from these &#039;ingredients&#039;. But landscape architects can and should respond to local plants, local climates, local materials and local traditions in the use of outdoor space. This needs to be done thoughtfully and imaginatively. A rectilinear canal is not, to my mind, a charbagh unless it has a role in an irrigation system. I would be interested to hear of any good examples of good context-sensitive design in Iran.  I have not been there since 2005 and I did not find any examples then. I hope the blog comment does not seem unfriendly to Iran. My experience was that the country was very peaceful and the people very friendly. The country&#039;s reputation in the west was and is mysterious. My opinion of its government is probably close to that of most people in Tehran, if not most people in the country!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5596">Mahdi Khansefid</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment and for the correction.<br />
I see context-sensitive landscape design as a worldwide problem and as a particular problem AND OPPORTUNITY for the landscape profession. It is a problem because of globalisation and it is an opportunity because context-sensitive design is both more necessary and, I think, easier for landscape architects than for building architects.  If you are going to build in glass, concrete and steel, and your building is going to be climate controlled, then the form is likely to result from these &#8216;ingredients&#8217;. But landscape architects can and should respond to local plants, local climates, local materials and local traditions in the use of outdoor space. This needs to be done thoughtfully and imaginatively. A rectilinear canal is not, to my mind, a charbagh unless it has a role in an irrigation system. I would be interested to hear of any good examples of good context-sensitive design in Iran.  I have not been there since 2005 and I did not find any examples then. I hope the blog comment does not seem unfriendly to Iran. My experience was that the country was very peaceful and the people very friendly. The country&#8217;s reputation in the west was and is mysterious. My opinion of its government is probably close to that of most people in Tehran, if not most people in the country!</p>
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		By: Mahdi Khansefid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mahdi Khansefid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2013 13:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an Iranian born and brought up in Tehran, I appreciate your interest and insightful research on garden and landscape history in general and Persian and Islamic gardens in particular. I saw the table of contents of Louise Wickham’s interesting book and I guess there could be even more interesting chapters about ancient Persian gardens, especially those of the Achaemenid Empire and more recent examples of the Safavid Empire.

I used to see Laaleh (Tulip) Park several times a week as it is located near the University of Tehran, located in the very central district of Tehran. As the plaque in the park says, interestingly its design is a collaboration between French and Iranian landscape designers!

Please note that the park is NOT located in Jamshīdīyeh. Just in the footsteps of mountains that surround the city, Jamshīdīyeh is miles away in the very northern parts of Tehran. Of course you can find another park there with a very naturalistic landscape design.

I will be more than happy to continue this conversation about contemporary landscape architecture and urban design trends in Iran.

Mahdi Khansefid (PhD Candidate in Landscape Architecture, Melbourne School of Design, The University of Melbourne)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Iranian born and brought up in Tehran, I appreciate your interest and insightful research on garden and landscape history in general and Persian and Islamic gardens in particular. I saw the table of contents of Louise Wickham’s interesting book and I guess there could be even more interesting chapters about ancient Persian gardens, especially those of the Achaemenid Empire and more recent examples of the Safavid Empire.</p>
<p>I used to see Laaleh (Tulip) Park several times a week as it is located near the University of Tehran, located in the very central district of Tehran. As the plaque in the park says, interestingly its design is a collaboration between French and Iranian landscape designers!</p>
<p>Please note that the park is NOT located in Jamshīdīyeh. Just in the footsteps of mountains that surround the city, Jamshīdīyeh is miles away in the very northern parts of Tehran. Of course you can find another park there with a very naturalistic landscape design.</p>
<p>I will be more than happy to continue this conversation about contemporary landscape architecture and urban design trends in Iran.</p>
<p>Mahdi Khansefid (PhD Candidate in Landscape Architecture, Melbourne School of Design, The University of Melbourne)</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5594&quot;&gt;Allan Becker&lt;/a&gt;.

About 5000 years ago. Please see Louise Wickham&#039;s book. Great garden and landscape designers have often embodied political ideas in their work and, more to the point, have expressed political intentions in designs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5594">Allan Becker</a>.</p>
<p>About 5000 years ago. Please see Louise Wickham&#8217;s book. Great garden and landscape designers have often embodied political ideas in their work and, more to the point, have expressed political intentions in designs.</p>
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		By: Allan Becker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Referencing the West&#039;s relationship with Iran seems so out of place in a post that celebrates that country&#039;s gardens. When did landscape specialists also become political pundits?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Referencing the West&#8217;s relationship with Iran seems so out of place in a post that celebrates that country&#8217;s gardens. When did landscape specialists also become political pundits?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Iran and landscape architecture? Read Tom Turner&#8217;s latest post&#8230; &#124; the landscape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Turner&#8217;s latest post on his popular Garden Visit website describes his optimism in Iran&#8217;s future. Read more about it. Share [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2013 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5591&quot;&gt;Louise Wickham&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree about sustainability: it is important, it is a political issue and it is an influence on design. But it seems less red-blooded than &#039;real&#039; political issues.
I once argued the case for using political themes in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenvisit.com/history_theory/library_online_ebooks/architecture_city_as_landscape/parks_representing_political_systems&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the management and design of public parks&lt;/a&gt; (you have to scroll past the links to find the text) and politics is definitely an influence on urban design. If the US was more socialist than it is then its cities would not be as they are. Havana has also been much influenced by communist ideas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/iran-landscape-architecture-urban-design-and-politics/#comment-5591">Louise Wickham</a>.</p>
<p>I agree about sustainability: it is important, it is a political issue and it is an influence on design. But it seems less red-blooded than &#8216;real&#8217; political issues.<br />
I once argued the case for using political themes in <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/history_theory/library_online_ebooks/architecture_city_as_landscape/parks_representing_political_systems" rel="nofollow">the management and design of public parks</a> (you have to scroll past the links to find the text) and politics is definitely an influence on urban design. If the US was more socialist than it is then its cities would not be as they are. Havana has also been much influenced by communist ideas.</p>
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