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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3967&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

City planners tend to regard automobile transport as being good for cities. I support Jane Jacobs call for &quot;the attrition of automobiles by cities.”  So I would also demote the role of transport and &#039;hard infrastructure&#039; planners in the urbanisation process. They should sit &#039;below the salt&#039;, especially on coastal cities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3967">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>City planners tend to regard automobile transport as being good for cities. I support Jane Jacobs call for &#8220;the attrition of automobiles by cities.”  So I would also demote the role of transport and &#8216;hard infrastructure&#8217; planners in the urbanisation process. They should sit &#8216;below the salt&#8217;, especially on coastal cities.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3968&quot;&gt;Lawrence&lt;/a&gt;.

Qatar is my favourite Gulf state - because of Al Jazeera, which I now prefer to the BBC World Service for international news. It is less Eurocentric and they seem to  have a wider range of specialist correspondents who are not professional broadcasters. Also, when I think about the long history of urban design it seems to me that most of the best results are associated with ideas that come from religious authorities or kings and queens. This is regrettable. My hope for the future is that landscape architects can be added to the list. The landscape (green) infrastructure should be planned before the physical infrastructure. Should IFLA give its attention to promoting this point it would justify its continued existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3968">Lawrence</a>.</p>
<p>Qatar is my favourite Gulf state &#8211; because of Al Jazeera, which I now prefer to the BBC World Service for international news. It is less Eurocentric and they seem to  have a wider range of specialist correspondents who are not professional broadcasters. Also, when I think about the long history of urban design it seems to me that most of the best results are associated with ideas that come from religious authorities or kings and queens. This is regrettable. My hope for the future is that landscape architects can be added to the list. The landscape (green) infrastructure should be planned before the physical infrastructure. Should IFLA give its attention to promoting this point it would justify its continued existence.</p>
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		By: Lawrence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My point about Doha is that the CBD is low density for aesthetic reasons, and in the face of the usual commercial pressures generated by high land values that prevail in these areas, one really does need a king and a dictator - as is in Qatar more or less the case - to make this reality. Qatar&#039;s CBD is unique in the Middle East and possibly the world, and it is encouraging to be able to refer to a positive example of Urban Planning in a part of the world where Urban Planning is often conspicuous by its absence. Qatar is developing at a rate faster than neighbouring Abu Dhabi, and one can see here [ http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/03/page/2/ ] what they have made of their CBD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point about Doha is that the CBD is low density for aesthetic reasons, and in the face of the usual commercial pressures generated by high land values that prevail in these areas, one really does need a king and a dictator &#8211; as is in Qatar more or less the case &#8211; to make this reality. Qatar&#8217;s CBD is unique in the Middle East and possibly the world, and it is encouraging to be able to refer to a positive example of Urban Planning in a part of the world where Urban Planning is often conspicuous by its absence. Qatar is developing at a rate faster than neighbouring Abu Dhabi, and one can see here [ <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/03/page/2/" rel="ugc">http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/03/page/2/</a> ] what they have made of their CBD.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In order to understand the transport system in Sydney (supply and demand side) a few documents might be necessary. For example the Draft Sydney Local Environment Plan 2011 (including land use matrixes) and a map of Sydney showing the landuses listed in the matrixes (perhaps the land application map).

A good traffic engineer (ie Arups http://www.arup.com/Services/Infrastructure_Design.aspx ) would most probably assist with developing a comprehensive understanding of current useage and the implications of predictions to 2036 of changes in existing and intended residential and employment patterns.
[ http://www.metroplansydney.nsw.gov.au/Home/MetropolitanPlanForSydney2036.aspx ]

Although it is said that Sydney is walkable (re: distance) in reality parts of the city are not that pleasant to walk in ie. long streets, topography, poorly kept paving surfaces and sometimes merely not that pleasant (aesthetic). The good [ http://www.planeteyetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hydepark.jpg ] and the bad [ http://www.sanddollies.com/4f91bf20.jpg ] and the ugly [ http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-05-15/naked-streets-proposed-for-sydney-cbd/1683320 ].

Good urban design combined with consideration of the subway system could (undoubtably) improve this situation.

Perhaps the naked streets idea has some merit? [ http://watoday.drive.com.au/motor-news/naked-streets-considered-for-sydney-20090514-1496t.html ] Or perhaps it would result in both unhappy pedestrians and commuters? It would be useful to understand the similarlities and differences with places where this idea has already been implemented.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to understand the transport system in Sydney (supply and demand side) a few documents might be necessary. For example the Draft Sydney Local Environment Plan 2011 (including land use matrixes) and a map of Sydney showing the landuses listed in the matrixes (perhaps the land application map).</p>
<p>A good traffic engineer (ie Arups <a href="http://www.arup.com/Services/Infrastructure_Design.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.arup.com/Services/Infrastructure_Design.aspx</a> ) would most probably assist with developing a comprehensive understanding of current useage and the implications of predictions to 2036 of changes in existing and intended residential and employment patterns.<br />
[ <a href="http://www.metroplansydney.nsw.gov.au/Home/MetropolitanPlanForSydney2036.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.metroplansydney.nsw.gov.au/Home/MetropolitanPlanForSydney2036.aspx</a> ]</p>
<p>Although it is said that Sydney is walkable (re: distance) in reality parts of the city are not that pleasant to walk in ie. long streets, topography, poorly kept paving surfaces and sometimes merely not that pleasant (aesthetic). The good [ <a href="http://www.planeteyetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hydepark.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.planeteyetraveler.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hydepark.jpg</a> ] and the bad [ <a href="http://www.sanddollies.com/4f91bf20.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sanddollies.com/4f91bf20.jpg</a> ] and the ugly [ <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-05-15/naked-streets-proposed-for-sydney-cbd/1683320" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-05-15/naked-streets-proposed-for-sydney-cbd/1683320</a> ].</p>
<p>Good urban design combined with consideration of the subway system could (undoubtably) improve this situation.</p>
<p>Perhaps the naked streets idea has some merit? [ <a href="http://watoday.drive.com.au/motor-news/naked-streets-considered-for-sydney-20090514-1496t.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://watoday.drive.com.au/motor-news/naked-streets-considered-for-sydney-20090514-1496t.html</a> ] Or perhaps it would result in both unhappy pedestrians and commuters? It would be useful to understand the similarlities and differences with places where this idea has already been implemented.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 06:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3965&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

It would need a king or dictator to stipulate that CBDs should be high density for &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;aesthetic &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;reasons.
From a traffic standpoint (pun intended) I think the best solution is to plan urbanisation like a &lt;a href=&quot;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Snake_skeleton.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;snake&#039;s skeleton&lt;/a&gt;.  The spine should be a rapid transit system and the ribs should be green transport links (walkways, cycleways, solar-powered slow buses etc). In fact the spine could be a utilities corridor which space for: several rail lines, water, sewers, electricity, telecoms, road, cycleway, wildlife corridor etc. If this was done on a generous scale then it would be easy to upgrade the utilities as the urbanisation advanced. Also, there would be great opportunities for relating clusters of buildings to landscape opportunities.  I recommend this policy to Chinese urban planners and landscape architects. It relates to &lt;a href=&quot;http://brandavenue.typepad.com/brand_avenue/2010/11/a-strong-green-brand.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Copenhagen&#039;s Finger Plan&lt;/a&gt; but pays more attention to landscape, ecology, hydrology and non-mechanised green transport. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://radiantcopenhagen.net/pmwiki.php?n=RadiantCopenhagen.FiveFingerPlan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1947 Copenhagen Five Finger Plan&lt;/a&gt;, like the London Green Belt plan, treated &#039;greenspace&#039; as an end-in-itself, without giving it aesthetic, ecological or other roles which relate to the urban area which it delimits. The main function of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenbelt.posterous.com/high-five-for-the-copenhagen-finger-plan&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Copenhagen greenspace&lt;/a&gt; is to make a pretty picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/high-buildings-skyline-policy-and-the-creation-of-a-new-urban-landscapes/#comment-3965">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>It would need a king or dictator to stipulate that CBDs should be high density for <strong><em>aesthetic </em></strong>reasons.<br />
From a traffic standpoint (pun intended) I think the best solution is to plan urbanisation like a <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Snake_skeleton.jpg" rel="nofollow">snake&#8217;s skeleton</a>.  The spine should be a rapid transit system and the ribs should be green transport links (walkways, cycleways, solar-powered slow buses etc). In fact the spine could be a utilities corridor which space for: several rail lines, water, sewers, electricity, telecoms, road, cycleway, wildlife corridor etc. If this was done on a generous scale then it would be easy to upgrade the utilities as the urbanisation advanced. Also, there would be great opportunities for relating clusters of buildings to landscape opportunities.  I recommend this policy to Chinese urban planners and landscape architects. It relates to <a href="http://brandavenue.typepad.com/brand_avenue/2010/11/a-strong-green-brand.html" rel="nofollow">Copenhagen&#8217;s Finger Plan</a> but pays more attention to landscape, ecology, hydrology and non-mechanised green transport. The <a href="http://radiantcopenhagen.net/pmwiki.php?n=RadiantCopenhagen.FiveFingerPlan" rel="nofollow">1947 Copenhagen Five Finger Plan</a>, like the London Green Belt plan, treated &#8216;greenspace&#8217; as an end-in-itself, without giving it aesthetic, ecological or other roles which relate to the urban area which it delimits. The main function of the <a href="http://greenbelt.posterous.com/high-five-for-the-copenhagen-finger-plan" rel="nofollow">Copenhagen greenspace</a> is to make a pretty picture.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 05:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think Tom is right, the colours of the setting are magic, very similar to Tropical Queensland. [ http://www.travelstories.com.au/images/to%20size/Point%20Ann_Fitzgerald%20%20River%20NP10.JPG ]

The history of the settlement of Sydney has left a legacy of a high density CBD and a low density city. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sydney ] Acess to the high density city (where employment is concentrated from the low density suburbs) and reducing transit times due to overcongested roads and associated pollution is considered to be a difficult issue that Sydney needs to overcome as it continues to grow.
[ http://www.thenewcityjournal.net/sydney_choking_in_its_own_density.htm ] Only New York has comparable commute times, and this is due to the slower public transport system rather than road transit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think Tom is right, the colours of the setting are magic, very similar to Tropical Queensland. [ <a href="http://www.travelstories.com.au/images/to%20size/Point%20Ann_Fitzgerald%20%20River%20NP10.JPG" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.travelstories.com.au/images/to%20size/Point%20Ann_Fitzgerald%20%20River%20NP10.JPG</a> ]</p>
<p>The history of the settlement of Sydney has left a legacy of a high density CBD and a low density city. [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sydney" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sydney</a> ] Acess to the high density city (where employment is concentrated from the low density suburbs) and reducing transit times due to overcongested roads and associated pollution is considered to be a difficult issue that Sydney needs to overcome as it continues to grow.<br />
[ <a href="http://www.thenewcityjournal.net/sydney_choking_in_its_own_density.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thenewcityjournal.net/sydney_choking_in_its_own_density.htm</a> ] Only New York has comparable commute times, and this is due to the slower public transport system rather than road transit.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are an interesting group of buildings in Doha but I think their attraction has more to do with the architecture and the contrast with the desert than with deliberate &#039;composition&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are an interesting group of buildings in Doha but I think their attraction has more to do with the architecture and the contrast with the desert than with deliberate &#8216;composition&#8217;.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the most successful examples of high rise clustering that I have seen is in Doha. The central business district is viewed romantically from the - low rise - city across a bay and, importantly, the towers are spaced sufficiently far apart so that each building can be appreciated in its uniqueness, while contributing to the whole picture. I have searched in vain for the planning background to this, but it is so effective that I would not want to think that it is the product of mere chance.

[ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssychan/5140434261/ ]
[ http://www.flickr.com/photos/maapu/2536233332/ ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most successful examples of high rise clustering that I have seen is in Doha. The central business district is viewed romantically from the &#8211; low rise &#8211; city across a bay and, importantly, the towers are spaced sufficiently far apart so that each building can be appreciated in its uniqueness, while contributing to the whole picture. I have searched in vain for the planning background to this, but it is so effective that I would not want to think that it is the product of mere chance.</p>
<p>[ <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssychan/5140434261/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssychan/5140434261/</a> ]<br />
[ <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/maapu/2536233332/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.flickr.com/photos/maapu/2536233332/</a> ]</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 09:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes. It should be one of the main objectives of urban design. I have added an aerial view of Shanghai to illustrate the way in which this has not been done in the past 25 years of Chinese urbanisation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. It should be one of the main objectives of urban design. I have added an aerial view of Shanghai to illustrate the way in which this has not been done in the past 25 years of Chinese urbanisation.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 06:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is very interesting to consider high buildings, topograpy, city plans and city settings together.

For example: [ http://www.cvent.com/en/destination-guide/sydney/images/sydney-skyline.jpg ]
The harbour (blue space) and surrounding parks (green space) are an essential part of the setting of the city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is very interesting to consider high buildings, topograpy, city plans and city settings together.</p>
<p>For example: [ <a href="http://www.cvent.com/en/destination-guide/sydney/images/sydney-skyline.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cvent.com/en/destination-guide/sydney/images/sydney-skyline.jpg</a> ]<br />
The harbour (blue space) and surrounding parks (green space) are an essential part of the setting of the city.</p>
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