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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3941</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The london reach of Thames was never a chalk stream but it WAS a natural watercourse. Nobody suggests restoring its natural condition but work is being done to create habitats on its shores eg round the Greenwich Peninsula as part of the Millennium celebrations.
When my mum took first took me to a zoo, when I was about 8 years old, she took a tin of syrup and I was allowed to throw it to a polar bear in a pit. Lots of people fed the animals and this has been completely stopped. This, I suggest, is the first thing to try with the Gade in the Water Gardens. People must be educated to stop feeding the geese and ducks. This is certain to bring about an improvement in the water quality. My guess is that avian excrement is a much greater problem than weirs. When the main problem has been solved we can see what else needs to be done. But if you were to rely entirely on a vox pop to decide how to care for habitats and great works of art then Hemel Hempstead would have few of either.
The Water Gardens could be both a wonderful habitat and a famous work of art - and the people would surely love both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The london reach of Thames was never a chalk stream but it WAS a natural watercourse. Nobody suggests restoring its natural condition but work is being done to create habitats on its shores eg round the Greenwich Peninsula as part of the Millennium celebrations.<br />
When my mum took first took me to a zoo, when I was about 8 years old, she took a tin of syrup and I was allowed to throw it to a polar bear in a pit. Lots of people fed the animals and this has been completely stopped. This, I suggest, is the first thing to try with the Gade in the Water Gardens. People must be educated to stop feeding the geese and ducks. This is certain to bring about an improvement in the water quality. My guess is that avian excrement is a much greater problem than weirs. When the main problem has been solved we can see what else needs to be done. But if you were to rely entirely on a vox pop to decide how to care for habitats and great works of art then Hemel Hempstead would have few of either.<br />
The Water Gardens could be both a wonderful habitat and a famous work of art &#8211; and the people would surely love both.</p>
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		By: Mr Hemel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Giving the example of the Thames is completely off the point and a red herring. The Thames is NOT a chalk stream. The Gade that makes up the Water Gardens is.

The weirs placed in the water gardens cause the flows to slow almost to a standstill, releasing all of the silt and leaving not a nice looking channel. So ultimately, to keep Jellicoe&#039;s &#039;vision&#039; looking pristine is going to take a lot of time and expense. Not only that, but ecology does not benefit from the concrete channel, low flows and warmer water - except for the annoying and messy geese of course!

Why not restore the chalk stream to a naturalised course with huge benefits for ecology and amenity values too. How much nicer would it be to see an otter or a water vole rather than all those geese.

Perhaps Jellicoe&#039;s vision could be recreated elsewhere in the town, and using water fed off the river, rather than being part of the river channel.

In the nearby town of Aylesbury, there is a huge monstrosity of a 60&#039;s concrete tower block in the town centre. No doubt this is considered a good example of the brutalist architecture that was so prevalent at the time. Of course, the majority of residents think it is ugly and needs to be replaced with something more fitting for the 21st century. I think the same applies to the Water Gardens.

The only people who really care about the Water Gardens being restored to their original vision are older people with 50&#039;s memories, &#039;garden&#039; enthusiasts, and architecture scholars. I guarantee that if you gave Mr &#038; Mrs Bloggs the choice of Jellicoe&#039;s vision or a naturalised watercourse - the green, natural watercourse would win hands down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving the example of the Thames is completely off the point and a red herring. The Thames is NOT a chalk stream. The Gade that makes up the Water Gardens is.</p>
<p>The weirs placed in the water gardens cause the flows to slow almost to a standstill, releasing all of the silt and leaving not a nice looking channel. So ultimately, to keep Jellicoe&#8217;s &#8216;vision&#8217; looking pristine is going to take a lot of time and expense. Not only that, but ecology does not benefit from the concrete channel, low flows and warmer water &#8211; except for the annoying and messy geese of course!</p>
<p>Why not restore the chalk stream to a naturalised course with huge benefits for ecology and amenity values too. How much nicer would it be to see an otter or a water vole rather than all those geese.</p>
<p>Perhaps Jellicoe&#8217;s vision could be recreated elsewhere in the town, and using water fed off the river, rather than being part of the river channel.</p>
<p>In the nearby town of Aylesbury, there is a huge monstrosity of a 60&#8217;s concrete tower block in the town centre. No doubt this is considered a good example of the brutalist architecture that was so prevalent at the time. Of course, the majority of residents think it is ugly and needs to be replaced with something more fitting for the 21st century. I think the same applies to the Water Gardens.</p>
<p>The only people who really care about the Water Gardens being restored to their original vision are older people with 50&#8217;s memories, &#8216;garden&#8217; enthusiasts, and architecture scholars. I guarantee that if you gave Mr &amp; Mrs Bloggs the choice of Jellicoe&#8217;s vision or a naturalised watercourse &#8211; the green, natural watercourse would win hands down.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3939</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 06:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3938&quot;&gt;Mr Hemel&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for raising the issue of the chalk stream, which needs to be considered and discussed. Would you also argue that the River Thames in London should be restored to its condition when the Roman&#039;s arrived? It was perhaps twice its present width and flanked by water marshes. I am pleased that landscape architects are doing habitat re-creation work on the river margins (eg on the east side of the Greenwich Peninsula) but I would not argue for the demolition of the buildings between the river and its old margin in Central London. The Strand, for example, was given this name because it was a waterfront route.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3938">Mr Hemel</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for raising the issue of the chalk stream, which needs to be considered and discussed. Would you also argue that the River Thames in London should be restored to its condition when the Roman&#8217;s arrived? It was perhaps twice its present width and flanked by water marshes. I am pleased that landscape architects are doing habitat re-creation work on the river margins (eg on the east side of the Greenwich Peninsula) but I would not argue for the demolition of the buildings between the river and its old margin in Central London. The Strand, for example, was given this name because it was a waterfront route.</p>
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		By: Mr Hemel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the only disgrace is that these &#039;Water Gardens&#039; are going to be restored! What flows through the centre of the gardens is the River Gade - a chalk stream. There are only 200 chalk streams in the world. Their main characteristics are high flows, riffles and pools and clean gravel beds. None of these characteristics still exist with the River Gade through Jellicoe&#039;s garden.

The destruction of the natural river channel through canalisation (i.e. concrete-lining the channel) and weirs has lead to slow flows, causing all of the silt to deposit on the bed of the channel. This is why without regular, ongoing, expensive maintenance, the channels look dirty and attract the geese. I think everyone who has seen them can agree that the geese have caused a lot of problems.

Surely as keen gardeners you would rather see a natural river channel with native planting to the banks, and improved green infrastructure in the town? Much of the actual &#039;gardens&#039; can of course be retained and enhanced - in any style people wish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the only disgrace is that these &#8216;Water Gardens&#8217; are going to be restored! What flows through the centre of the gardens is the River Gade &#8211; a chalk stream. There are only 200 chalk streams in the world. Their main characteristics are high flows, riffles and pools and clean gravel beds. None of these characteristics still exist with the River Gade through Jellicoe&#8217;s garden.</p>
<p>The destruction of the natural river channel through canalisation (i.e. concrete-lining the channel) and weirs has lead to slow flows, causing all of the silt to deposit on the bed of the channel. This is why without regular, ongoing, expensive maintenance, the channels look dirty and attract the geese. I think everyone who has seen them can agree that the geese have caused a lot of problems.</p>
<p>Surely as keen gardeners you would rather see a natural river channel with native planting to the banks, and improved green infrastructure in the town? Much of the actual &#8216;gardens&#8217; can of course be retained and enhanced &#8211; in any style people wish.</p>
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		By: Jane berry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom, thank you.... I&#039;m sitting in Australia, and feel your frustration and passion. I would want to volunteer to activate the human energy needed for this garden, to create  the feeling of love and connection the water gardens were created.  Water has a metaphysical connection with the human energy.  The space of our surroundings is just as important as a Picasso that rests on a wall. Keep up the passion!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thank you&#8230;. I&#8217;m sitting in Australia, and feel your frustration and passion. I would want to volunteer to activate the human energy needed for this garden, to create  the feeling of love and connection the water gardens were created.  Water has a metaphysical connection with the human energy.  The space of our surroundings is just as important as a Picasso that rests on a wall. Keep up the passion!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3935&quot;&gt;mark Bell&lt;/a&gt;.

I do not have a copy to hand, but there must be a plan in Michael Spens&#039; book &lt;em&gt;The complete works of Geoffrey Jellicoe&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3935">mark Bell</a>.</p>
<p>I do not have a copy to hand, but there must be a plan in Michael Spens&#8217; book <em>The complete works of Geoffrey Jellicoe</em></p>
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		By: mark Bell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark Bell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there a historical plan of these gardens available anywhere?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a historical plan of these gardens available anywhere?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3933&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree: the best hope for the Water Gardens is for volunteers to take over the work. Anyone who does not have their own garden is likely to find the work a great pleasure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/hemel-hempstead-water-gardens-are-getting-worse-and-worse-and-worse/#comment-3933">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>I agree: the best hope for the Water Gardens is for volunteers to take over the work. Anyone who does not have their own garden is likely to find the work a great pleasure.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t expect councils to do any more than the basic minimum - they don&#039;t have the money - especially Dacorum. Remember that &quot;the council&quot; is only your representative, doing things for the &#039;public good&#039; on your behalf. If you want to make improvements to your environment, you should be able to do it - after consultation - by yourself (or through a &#039;Friends&#039; group). I&#039;m a firm believer in &#039;driect action&#039; and I would support the &#039;Friends of the Water Gardens&#039; if such a group was set up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t expect councils to do any more than the basic minimum &#8211; they don&#8217;t have the money &#8211; especially Dacorum. Remember that &#8220;the council&#8221; is only your representative, doing things for the &#8216;public good&#8217; on your behalf. If you want to make improvements to your environment, you should be able to do it &#8211; after consultation &#8211; by yourself (or through a &#8216;Friends&#8217; group). I&#8217;m a firm believer in &#8216;driect action&#8217; and I would support the &#8216;Friends of the Water Gardens&#8217; if such a group was set up.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 06:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen&#039;s account of how parks are maintained co-incides exactly with my observation of Hemel Hempstead&#039;s Water Gardens. The current system is not working and it therefore has to change.  I entirely agree that there is no point whatsoever in undertaking an expensive &#039;restoration&#039; and then following it with 25 years of neglect.

Grant, I have an idea: involve volunteers in park maintenance. This is normal practice in the US. Why shouldn&#039;t it work as well in Britain&#039;s public parks as it does in Britain&#039;s National Trust gardens?  You could even call it a Big Society initiative to make it politically correct.

The current park maintainance and management arrangements have to change if they are not working.  Greenwich Council has improved its system in the past decade but still lacks responsiveness and, so far as I know, does not involve volunteers.  Why shouldn&#039;t Dacorum District Council change its ways?  Have they commissioned a parks strategy in recent years? If not, why not?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen&#8217;s account of how parks are maintained co-incides exactly with my observation of Hemel Hempstead&#8217;s Water Gardens. The current system is not working and it therefore has to change.  I entirely agree that there is no point whatsoever in undertaking an expensive &#8216;restoration&#8217; and then following it with 25 years of neglect.</p>
<p>Grant, I have an idea: involve volunteers in park maintenance. This is normal practice in the US. Why shouldn&#8217;t it work as well in Britain&#8217;s public parks as it does in Britain&#8217;s National Trust gardens?  You could even call it a Big Society initiative to make it politically correct.</p>
<p>The current park maintainance and management arrangements have to change if they are not working.  Greenwich Council has improved its system in the past decade but still lacks responsiveness and, so far as I know, does not involve volunteers.  Why shouldn&#8217;t Dacorum District Council change its ways?  Have they commissioned a parks strategy in recent years? If not, why not?</p>
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