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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 11:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6025&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I once had a real modernist boss: pencil bow-tie, red wine and a cigar - also used for pointing to drawings and with the aggravating habit of dropping smouldering embers onto waxed tracing paper.
I think the rejection of ornament began with a horror of the design standards displayed in the Crystal Palace but it grew into a belief, not unlike early protestant design, that ornament was &#039;crime&#039;. And, yes definitely, a natural outgrowth of the Age of Reason. Designers were enjoined to consult fundamental principles and to reject the authority of the historic styles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6025">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>I once had a real modernist boss: pencil bow-tie, red wine and a cigar &#8211; also used for pointing to drawings and with the aggravating habit of dropping smouldering embers onto waxed tracing paper.<br />
I think the rejection of ornament began with a horror of the design standards displayed in the Crystal Palace but it grew into a belief, not unlike early protestant design, that ornament was &#8216;crime&#8217;. And, yes definitely, a natural outgrowth of the Age of Reason. Designers were enjoined to consult fundamental principles and to reject the authority of the historic styles.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The modernist rejection of ornament and focus on function arose in response to the decay of Beaux Arts into stylistic decadence characterised by blind windows to achieve symmetry and the &#039;false door&#039; of Vaucluse House. I am not sure how or where the suspicion of authority arose in connection with modernist values? Perhaps it was a natural outgrowth of the Age of Reason and the triumph of science in the machine age?

For the sake of their health hopefully the modernists have now given up their cigars but still enjoy a ref wine!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modernist rejection of ornament and focus on function arose in response to the decay of Beaux Arts into stylistic decadence characterised by blind windows to achieve symmetry and the &#8216;false door&#8217; of Vaucluse House. I am not sure how or where the suspicion of authority arose in connection with modernist values? Perhaps it was a natural outgrowth of the Age of Reason and the triumph of science in the machine age?</p>
<p>For the sake of their health hopefully the modernists have now given up their cigars but still enjoy a ref wine!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2014 04:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6023&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I doubt if the the point applies socially or personally, and think the modernists liked cigars and red wine, but the rejection of ornament and love of &#039;plain function&#039; seems Puritan to me. So is the enthusiasm for conscience-based decision making rather than the acceptance of any points &#039;on authority&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6023">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>I doubt if the the point applies socially or personally, and think the modernists liked cigars and red wine, but the rejection of ornament and love of &#8216;plain function&#8217; seems Puritan to me. So is the enthusiasm for conscience-based decision making rather than the acceptance of any points &#8216;on authority&#8217;.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 04:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am wondering whether the modernist designers advocated the Puritan position of &#039;The &#039;Principal of Universal Public Responsibility?&quot; Puritan beliefs seem to be that privacy, leisure and other freedoms come from a robust social order. It opposed the Liberal view that when civil society breaks down it disintegrates into amoral chaos.

Still reading...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering whether the modernist designers advocated the Puritan position of &#8216;The &#8216;Principal of Universal Public Responsibility?&#8221; Puritan beliefs seem to be that privacy, leisure and other freedoms come from a robust social order. It opposed the Liberal view that when civil society breaks down it disintegrates into amoral chaos.</p>
<p>Still reading&#8230;</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 04:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting comment - modernism and puritanism? I am going to do some more reading around this...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment &#8211; modernism and puritanism? I am going to do some more reading around this&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 05:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6020&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Stained glass used to be a very expensive product and still is if hand made and lead rimmed. You do see coloured glass in contemporary buildings but not nearly as much as &#039;one might expect&#039;. I suspect there is a (generally admirable) puritan hangover from the Modernist aesthetic which is affecting designers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6020">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Stained glass used to be a very expensive product and still is if hand made and lead rimmed. You do see coloured glass in contemporary buildings but not nearly as much as &#8216;one might expect&#8217;. I suspect there is a (generally admirable) puritan hangover from the Modernist aesthetic which is affecting designers.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My supposition is that the use of stained glass has mainly been restricted to churches and cathedrals, the religious sphere. Although you do see its use in Parliament Houses and Court Houses designed in the Gothic style or the Victorian era: Palace of Westminster[ http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/20/1332230344795/Queens-diamond-jubilee-st-007.jpg ] and Qld Parliament [ http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-efva1oNKBqw/T2KJxKOICmI/AAAAAAAACGs/bIYO_ru08lM/s1600/Stained+glass.jpg ]

It seems to be a motif of church and state rather than secular?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My supposition is that the use of stained glass has mainly been restricted to churches and cathedrals, the religious sphere. Although you do see its use in Parliament Houses and Court Houses designed in the Gothic style or the Victorian era: Palace of Westminster[ <a href="http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/20/1332230344795/Queens-diamond-jubilee-st-007.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/20/1332230344795/Queens-diamond-jubilee-st-007.jpg</a> ] and Qld Parliament [ <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-efva1oNKBqw/T2KJxKOICmI/AAAAAAAACGs/bIYO_ru08lM/s1600/Stained+glass.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-efva1oNKBqw/T2KJxKOICmI/AAAAAAAACGs/bIYO_ru08lM/s1600/Stained+glass.jpg</a> ]</p>
<p>It seems to be a motif of church and state rather than secular?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6018&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Garden design has not been as technology-led as it might have been, although green walls and green roofs are of considerable significance.
I love stained glass. Why don&#039;t architects make more use of it?]]></description>
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<p>Garden design has not been as technology-led as it might have been, although green walls and green roofs are of considerable significance.<br />
I love stained glass. Why don&#8217;t architects make more use of it?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 04:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes. You are right, the adoption of new technologies does not always result in them being used well or in good design. This is an interesting angle on the &#039;shock of the new&#039;!

It would seem that glass replaced wooden shutters [ http://www.shutterscanada.ca/shutter_company/shutters_history.htm ]and shoji screens? [ http://www.rothteien.com/landing/interiors/tategu.jpg ]

Innovations in design came with advances in material science. Here is an example from the 12th century [ http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-pictures/stained-glass-augsburg.JPG ] and from the 21st century [ http://image.digitalinsightresearch.in/uploads/imagelibrary/nri/designbuild/features/ars-electronica-center.jpg ].]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. You are right, the adoption of new technologies does not always result in them being used well or in good design. This is an interesting angle on the &#8216;shock of the new&#8217;!</p>
<p>It would seem that glass replaced wooden shutters [ <a href="http://www.shutterscanada.ca/shutter_company/shutters_history.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.shutterscanada.ca/shutter_company/shutters_history.htm</a> ]and shoji screens? [ <a href="http://www.rothteien.com/landing/interiors/tategu.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rothteien.com/landing/interiors/tategu.jpg</a> ]</p>
<p>Innovations in design came with advances in material science. Here is an example from the 12th century [ <a href="http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-pictures/stained-glass-augsburg.JPG" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-pictures/stained-glass-augsburg.JPG</a> ] and from the 21st century [ <a href="http://image.digitalinsightresearch.in/uploads/imagelibrary/nri/designbuild/features/ars-electronica-center.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://image.digitalinsightresearch.in/uploads/imagelibrary/nri/designbuild/features/ars-electronica-center.jpg</a> ].</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2014 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6016&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Developments in glass technology have had a profound influence on architecture but I guess the first uses of the new technology were to do jobs previously done in older ways. Gardens are less technologically driven then gardens but the influences are still there. It was not so long ago that the first green walls and green roofs appeared at Chelsea. They are now common but one sees more examples of them being used badly than of them being used well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/garden-designs-at-the-2014-chelsea-flower-show/#comment-6016">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Developments in glass technology have had a profound influence on architecture but I guess the first uses of the new technology were to do jobs previously done in older ways. Gardens are less technologically driven then gardens but the influences are still there. It was not so long ago that the first green walls and green roofs appeared at Chelsea. They are now common but one sees more examples of them being used badly than of them being used well.</p>
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