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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-184739</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2019 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At present there is a small controversy raging over a proposal to build a zip-line from the top of Mt Cootha through a forest reserve. Zipping close by the nesting site of the powerful owl! The proposal to develop the top of Mt Cootha in Brisbane also has a tree or canopy walk. 
So again there is a conflict between the human desire for entertainment and novelty, the potential for profiting from this desire, ecological services to the city and the needs of nature - particularly the forest inhabitants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At present there is a small controversy raging over a proposal to build a zip-line from the top of Mt Cootha through a forest reserve. Zipping close by the nesting site of the powerful owl! The proposal to develop the top of Mt Cootha in Brisbane also has a tree or canopy walk.<br />
So again there is a conflict between the human desire for entertainment and novelty, the potential for profiting from this desire, ecological services to the city and the needs of nature &#8211; particularly the forest inhabitants.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3574</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 03:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In NSW property crime seems to be strongly correlated with heroin(and cocaine)use and availability. [ http://www.jp.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwfiles/cjb85.pdf/$file/cjb85.pdf ] I am not sure if there are any distinctions between the correlations of property crimes between urban and rural areas?

Thankyou Lawrence for introducing the Eilenriede. It is difficult to say quite what the boundary between a forest and a park might be - particularly when the Eilenriede contains important public art including the turf maze and statute of the Princesses Louise and Fredrica.

City forests (rather than forest cities), according to Cecil C. Konijnendijk are &quot;cultural forest landcapes that are social and cultural constructs, created on at the meeting point of culture and nature, of the human and the non-human. From an experiential perspective they can be both space and place.&quot;

There are a number of urban forest movements in the US. Some are predominantly aligned with conservation and recreation, others with ecological and urban objectives. [ http://vibrantcitiesurbanforests.org/ ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In NSW property crime seems to be strongly correlated with heroin(and cocaine)use and availability. [ <a href="http://www.jp.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwfiles/cjb85.pdf/$file/cjb85.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jp.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwfiles/cjb85.pdf/$file/cjb85.pdf</a> ] I am not sure if there are any distinctions between the correlations of property crimes between urban and rural areas?</p>
<p>Thankyou Lawrence for introducing the Eilenriede. It is difficult to say quite what the boundary between a forest and a park might be &#8211; particularly when the Eilenriede contains important public art including the turf maze and statute of the Princesses Louise and Fredrica.</p>
<p>City forests (rather than forest cities), according to Cecil C. Konijnendijk are &#8220;cultural forest landcapes that are social and cultural constructs, created on at the meeting point of culture and nature, of the human and the non-human. From an experiential perspective they can be both space and place.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a number of urban forest movements in the US. Some are predominantly aligned with conservation and recreation, others with ecological and urban objectives. [ <a href="http://vibrantcitiesurbanforests.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vibrantcitiesurbanforests.org/</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3573</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had some friends who bought a country cottage, furnished it, got married, went on a honeymoon - and returned home to find that the cottage had been completely cleared: every bit of furniture, clothing, cutlery etc. They sold the cottage and moved into a town.

It is a great idea for cities to own forests. Professional foresters, often castigated at wood butchers, seem no longer able to practice multiple-objective forest management.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some friends who bought a country cottage, furnished it, got married, went on a honeymoon &#8211; and returned home to find that the cottage had been completely cleared: every bit of furniture, clothing, cutlery etc. They sold the cottage and moved into a town.</p>
<p>It is a great idea for cities to own forests. Professional foresters, often castigated at wood butchers, seem no longer able to practice multiple-objective forest management.</p>
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		By: Lawrence		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 07:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The largest European forest lying fully inside the city limits is Hannover&#039;s Eilenriede. The forest covers an area of 640 ha and has belonged to the city for over 600 years. It has 80 km of footpaths, 38 km of cycle paths and 11 km of gallops. Many of Hannover&#039;s most desirable residences lie in secluded areas on the outskirts of the forest and do not seem to get continually burgled, although I am sure that this does happen. I guess that they all have good alarm systems. The Eilenriede is extremely beautiful in early spring, its damp soil supporting vast colonies of wood anemone. The preservation of the height of the water table beneath the forest is a source of great preoccupation to the City Fathers, Hannover has the most comprehensive SUDS legislation for developers that I know of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The largest European forest lying fully inside the city limits is Hannover&#8217;s Eilenriede. The forest covers an area of 640 ha and has belonged to the city for over 600 years. It has 80 km of footpaths, 38 km of cycle paths and 11 km of gallops. Many of Hannover&#8217;s most desirable residences lie in secluded areas on the outskirts of the forest and do not seem to get continually burgled, although I am sure that this does happen. I guess that they all have good alarm systems. The Eilenriede is extremely beautiful in early spring, its damp soil supporting vast colonies of wood anemone. The preservation of the height of the water table beneath the forest is a source of great preoccupation to the City Fathers, Hannover has the most comprehensive SUDS legislation for developers that I know of.</p>
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		By: christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3571</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 05:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many places in Australia which are low density have high community values and are considered so safe that people do not lock their doors. [ http://www.worldheritagenorfolkisland.com/living-history/ ]

This article [ http://www.demographia.com/db-orski.htm ] suggests suburban living is seen as providing the benefits of relative &quot;safety, privacy and tranquility.&quot;

Perhaps by creating environments with the benefits of the suburbs, within our cities, in &#039;forest cities&#039; the detrimental impacts of urban sprawl (gobbling up greenfield sites and wilderness) can be abated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many places in Australia which are low density have high community values and are considered so safe that people do not lock their doors. [ <a href="http://www.worldheritagenorfolkisland.com/living-history/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.worldheritagenorfolkisland.com/living-history/</a> ]</p>
<p>This article [ <a href="http://www.demographia.com/db-orski.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.demographia.com/db-orski.htm</a> ] suggests suburban living is seen as providing the benefits of relative &#8220;safety, privacy and tranquility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps by creating environments with the benefits of the suburbs, within our cities, in &#8216;forest cities&#8217; the detrimental impacts of urban sprawl (gobbling up greenfield sites and wilderness) can be abated.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3570</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 06:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Personal security has always been a major consideration in urban planning, as witnessed by city walls in ancient times and &#039;gated communities&#039; in modern times. Don&#039;t you think security would be a problem in low density Forest Cities? I do not have any evidence for this, and in fact feel much safer in the country than in the town, but it seems to me that if there were to be a profusion of isolated &#039;homsteads&#039; in a forest setting then they would provide easy pickings for burglers.

I do not think it is possible, or desirable, to go back to medieval conditions but, just as one can draw a parallel between walled cities and gated communities, there may be a developing parallel between low-densitiy cities and the ancient pattern of &#039;a green sea of forest with scattered brown islands of human habitation&#039;.

Wikipedia, often abreast of trends, has an interesting list of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_City&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Forest Cities&lt;/a&gt;. [I woke up early today and heard the BBC World Service announce that &#039;The death of Osama Bin Laden has been published on Wikipedia and will soon be announced by the President of the United States&#039;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personal security has always been a major consideration in urban planning, as witnessed by city walls in ancient times and &#8216;gated communities&#8217; in modern times. Don&#8217;t you think security would be a problem in low density Forest Cities? I do not have any evidence for this, and in fact feel much safer in the country than in the town, but it seems to me that if there were to be a profusion of isolated &#8216;homsteads&#8217; in a forest setting then they would provide easy pickings for burglers.</p>
<p>I do not think it is possible, or desirable, to go back to medieval conditions but, just as one can draw a parallel between walled cities and gated communities, there may be a developing parallel between low-densitiy cities and the ancient pattern of &#8216;a green sea of forest with scattered brown islands of human habitation&#8217;.</p>
<p>Wikipedia, often abreast of trends, has an interesting list of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_City" rel="nofollow">Forest Cities</a>. [I woke up early today and heard the BBC World Service announce that &#8216;The death of Osama Bin Laden has been published on Wikipedia and will soon be announced by the President of the United States&#8217;]</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3569</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 02:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huh? Yes, restoring the Post-Ice Age forest cover, half of which had already been burned by settlers by 500BC (would be interesting to see the carbon emissions record of that!) is probably not the best strategy for Britain. &quot;Oliver Rackham in &#039;History of the Countryside&#039; thinks the last of the true Wildwood was cut down in the Forest Of Dean in the thirteenth century.&quot;

Much ancient wildlife is extinct, and I don&#039;t believe it would be appropriate to re-introduce their smaller existing progeny. [ http://www.wildlifeextra.com.au/go/news/lions-britain009.html#cr ]

And yes, I think that there may be challenges with the re-introduction of brown bears, wolves etc into countries that have eliminated these natural &#039;threats&#039;. Perhaps, the Wildlife Park planned in 2006 on the outskirts of Bristol would have been a laboratory for the feasibility of more modern species re-introductions. In the US living with bears and wolves is a contemporary issue. [ http://www.livingwithwolves.org/WWD_LetterFounders.html ]

I don&#039;t think a modern forest city (even one with a connection to semi-wilderness) would copy or recreate medieval living.

What are you referring to when you ask about policing? Changes in surveillance? Different illumination needs for public and private spaces? The re-introduction of highway men? Or Robin Hood in Sherwood Forest?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? Yes, restoring the Post-Ice Age forest cover, half of which had already been burned by settlers by 500BC (would be interesting to see the carbon emissions record of that!) is probably not the best strategy for Britain. &#8220;Oliver Rackham in &#8216;History of the Countryside&#8217; thinks the last of the true Wildwood was cut down in the Forest Of Dean in the thirteenth century.&#8221;</p>
<p>Much ancient wildlife is extinct, and I don&#8217;t believe it would be appropriate to re-introduce their smaller existing progeny. [ <a href="http://www.wildlifeextra.com.au/go/news/lions-britain009.html#cr" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wildlifeextra.com.au/go/news/lions-britain009.html#cr</a> ]</p>
<p>And yes, I think that there may be challenges with the re-introduction of brown bears, wolves etc into countries that have eliminated these natural &#8216;threats&#8217;. Perhaps, the Wildlife Park planned in 2006 on the outskirts of Bristol would have been a laboratory for the feasibility of more modern species re-introductions. In the US living with bears and wolves is a contemporary issue. [ <a href="http://www.livingwithwolves.org/WWD_LetterFounders.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.livingwithwolves.org/WWD_LetterFounders.html</a> ]</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a modern forest city (even one with a connection to semi-wilderness) would copy or recreate medieval living.</p>
<p>What are you referring to when you ask about policing? Changes in surveillance? Different illumination needs for public and private spaces? The re-introduction of highway men? Or Robin Hood in Sherwood Forest?</p>
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		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3568</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 07:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;Wilderness&#039;, like virginity, is something which can never be recovered once it has been lost. But the creation of semi-natural habitats is very possible.
I often think that the current clamour for sustainability is a call for a return to the urban and landscape patterns of the Middle Ages - and the idea of Forest Cities comes into this category. &#039;In the year 1000, a bird&#039;s-eye view of Europe would have consisted of a green sea of forest with scattered brown islands of human habitation&#039;. People lived in medieval cities partly for physical protection and it could be that life would become dangerous in a modern low-density Forest Megacity. How would policing work?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Wilderness&#8217;, like virginity, is something which can never be recovered once it has been lost. But the creation of semi-natural habitats is very possible.<br />
I often think that the current clamour for sustainability is a call for a return to the urban and landscape patterns of the Middle Ages &#8211; and the idea of Forest Cities comes into this category. &#8216;In the year 1000, a bird&#8217;s-eye view of Europe would have consisted of a green sea of forest with scattered brown islands of human habitation&#8217;. People lived in medieval cities partly for physical protection and it could be that life would become dangerous in a modern low-density Forest Megacity. How would policing work?</p>
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		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/forest-architecture/#comment-3567</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 05:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you think that some of the developed land could be rehabilitated as &#039;wilderness&#039;(ie. considered as natural habitat rather than a place for building and developing)?

Yes preferential voting is a good system. However, we also have the option of voting for a single winner (&quot;Just vote 1&quot;). Depending on the political landscape at the time of balloting either voting method might be more appropriate. (ie. Sometimes the primary candidate outcome is more important the parliamentary composition or local representation.)

Not really sure about whether the AV system stops politicans &#039;trying to seem cuddly, copying each other and running for cover at the first sign of trouble.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that some of the developed land could be rehabilitated as &#8216;wilderness'(ie. considered as natural habitat rather than a place for building and developing)?</p>
<p>Yes preferential voting is a good system. However, we also have the option of voting for a single winner (&#8220;Just vote 1&#8221;). Depending on the political landscape at the time of balloting either voting method might be more appropriate. (ie. Sometimes the primary candidate outcome is more important the parliamentary composition or local representation.)</p>
<p>Not really sure about whether the AV system stops politicans &#8216;trying to seem cuddly, copying each other and running for cover at the first sign of trouble.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Britain is something of a special case with regard to &#039;wilderness&#039;. Except for a few debatable  patches of remote sea cliff and mountain, we do not have any wilderness. So all the land has been &#039;developed&#039; and there is a case for much of it to be re-developed. Nan Fairbrother had a great phrase for this: &#039;We need new landscapes for out new lives&#039;.

I am hoping (but not really expecting) that the UK will adopt an Australian-style Alternative Vote AV system next week.  Do you think it would help free politicians from party-control, so that they can start discussing issues, like Low Density Cities, which make them behave like rabbits? Rabbits in the sense of trying to seem cuddly, copying each other and running for cover at the first sign of trouble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britain is something of a special case with regard to &#8216;wilderness&#8217;. Except for a few debatable  patches of remote sea cliff and mountain, we do not have any wilderness. So all the land has been &#8216;developed&#8217; and there is a case for much of it to be re-developed. Nan Fairbrother had a great phrase for this: &#8216;We need new landscapes for out new lives&#8217;.</p>
<p>I am hoping (but not really expecting) that the UK will adopt an Australian-style Alternative Vote AV system next week.  Do you think it would help free politicians from party-control, so that they can start discussing issues, like Low Density Cities, which make them behave like rabbits? Rabbits in the sense of trying to seem cuddly, copying each other and running for cover at the first sign of trouble.</p>
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