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		By: Richard Turner		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Given current land values and property prices in London I guess only the very rich will be able to afford gardens (or even access to gardens) there in future unless they are designated as public parks and funded by the taxpayer. A better policy would be to construct new, attractive, cities well away from the South East if the population of this country is going to expand by another 10-20 million people.
http://www.cityam.com/221125/population-growth-uk-become-biggest-country-european-union-2050]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given current land values and property prices in London I guess only the very rich will be able to afford gardens (or even access to gardens) there in future unless they are designated as public parks and funded by the taxpayer. A better policy would be to construct new, attractive, cities well away from the South East if the population of this country is going to expand by another 10-20 million people.<br />
<a href="http://www.cityam.com/221125/population-growth-uk-become-biggest-country-european-union-2050" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cityam.com/221125/population-growth-uk-become-biggest-country-european-union-2050</a></p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5938&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Auberon Waugh, like his father, was a specialist in insults. Evelyn heard that doctors had removed a benign tumour from Randolph Churchill (Winston&#039;s father), and said it was a typical triumph of modern science to take out the only part of him that wasn&#039;t malignant. Auberon was kind to his family and was probably kinder to women than men. Not sure.
Good idea for the Olympic &#039;Village&#039;. It would also be well suited to a police HQ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5938">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Auberon Waugh, like his father, was a specialist in insults. Evelyn heard that doctors had removed a benign tumour from Randolph Churchill (Winston&#8217;s father), and said it was a typical triumph of modern science to take out the only part of him that wasn&#8217;t malignant. Auberon was kind to his family and was probably kinder to women than men. Not sure.<br />
Good idea for the Olympic &#8216;Village&#8217;. It would also be well suited to a police HQ.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 04:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps the problem here is that the requirements of an Olympic event with the need for temporary accommodation for athletes focused on performing sporting feats to an elite level are vastly different to residential requirements in an inner urban environment. Perhaps they are more similar to students living on a university campus?

Maybe the village would have been more suited to being transformed into the British equivalent of the AIS? (Australian Institute of Sport) [ https://secure.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0011/83585/varieties/Article.jpg ]

I am not sure how successful the Sydney Olympic development was post the 2000 games. More research needed...

Perhaps if you meet a Waugh and you were a female architect you might be glad of the prejudice!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the problem here is that the requirements of an Olympic event with the need for temporary accommodation for athletes focused on performing sporting feats to an elite level are vastly different to residential requirements in an inner urban environment. Perhaps they are more similar to students living on a university campus?</p>
<p>Maybe the village would have been more suited to being transformed into the British equivalent of the AIS? (Australian Institute of Sport) [ <a href="https://secure.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0011/83585/varieties/Article.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://secure.ausport.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0011/83585/varieties/Article.jpg</a> ]</p>
<p>I am not sure how successful the Sydney Olympic development was post the 2000 games. More research needed&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps if you meet a Waugh and you were a female architect you might be glad of the prejudice!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 05:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5936&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

I can see that living in London&#039;s Olympic &quot;Village&quot; will be very attractive for some sections of the population. The development has much which can appeal to the age group for which it was designed: youngish, healthy, affluent, wanting exercise, liking views, enjoying restaurants etc. But calling the place a &#039;village&#039; is preposterous and the &#039;park path&#039; shown in the photograph could serve as London&#039;s fourth airport.
There is a lingering hatred of &#039;tower blocks&#039; in London because they were built as &#039;social housing&#039; for the urban poor. This is what lies behind &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/2014/04/our-infatuation-with-high-rise-housing-has-been-catastrophic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Auberon Waugh&#039;s advice&lt;/a&gt; that ‘If you meet anyone in a pub or at a party who says he is an architect, punch him in the face&#039; (the Waugh family are remembered for their verbal pugilism but not for their feminist sympathies!).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5936">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>I can see that living in London&#8217;s Olympic &#8220;Village&#8221; will be very attractive for some sections of the population. The development has much which can appeal to the age group for which it was designed: youngish, healthy, affluent, wanting exercise, liking views, enjoying restaurants etc. But calling the place a &#8216;village&#8217; is preposterous and the &#8216;park path&#8217; shown in the photograph could serve as London&#8217;s fourth airport.<br />
There is a lingering hatred of &#8216;tower blocks&#8217; in London because they were built as &#8216;social housing&#8217; for the urban poor. This is what lies behind <a href="http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/2014/04/our-infatuation-with-high-rise-housing-has-been-catastrophic/" rel="nofollow">Auberon Waugh&#8217;s advice</a> that ‘If you meet anyone in a pub or at a party who says he is an architect, punch him in the face&#8217; (the Waugh family are remembered for their verbal pugilism but not for their feminist sympathies!).</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 05:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re cars I am sure that there is much potential in Corbusier&#039;s urban work (...truly) that has not been fully explored. Utzon started to explore some of these ideas with the Sydney Opera House when he separated the traffic from the pedestrian spaces. [ http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dw3RZqHDpxY/TZXY5EYPr-I/AAAAAAAAAcU/AlSZ9IzKVIc/s1600/208747_211063472239924_100000088177187_882973_1430356_n.jpg ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re cars I am sure that there is much potential in Corbusier&#8217;s urban work (&#8230;truly) that has not been fully explored. Utzon started to explore some of these ideas with the Sydney Opera House when he separated the traffic from the pedestrian spaces. [ <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dw3RZqHDpxY/TZXY5EYPr-I/AAAAAAAAAcU/AlSZ9IzKVIc/s1600/208747_211063472239924_100000088177187_882973_1430356_n.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dw3RZqHDpxY/TZXY5EYPr-I/AAAAAAAAAcU/AlSZ9IzKVIc/s1600/208747_211063472239924_100000088177187_882973_1430356_n.jpg</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5934&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes. The streets could be shaded with buildings or trees. But without the public transport which can only function at high urban densities it is necessary for rich people to have a high level of car access to their dwellings.
Re the Institute du Monde Arab, wouldn&#039;t they have obtained a better degree of solar protection if they had used brise-soleil instead of internal shading?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5934">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Oh yes. The streets could be shaded with buildings or trees. But without the public transport which can only function at high urban densities it is necessary for rich people to have a high level of car access to their dwellings.<br />
Re the Institute du Monde Arab, wouldn&#8217;t they have obtained a better degree of solar protection if they had used brise-soleil instead of internal shading?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 02:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What the Institut du Monde does well (remembering it is in Paris rather than an Arabic country) is use a shading device on the elevation to moderate the amount of light entering the building and the degree of transparency. Nouvel has used a geometric and operable motif based on Arabic culture to achieve this end. [ http://blog.kineticarchitecture.net/2011/01/arab-world-institute/ ] The interior directly benefits from this approach in creating an unusual degree of enclosure typical of the lattice.

My sense is that this approach could be used in a closely spaced Arabic urban environment both for climate control, privacy and moderating degrees of enclosure. I am sure that landscape architects could easily imagine a complementary appropriate response to the external urban environment which could blur into varying degrees of separation and integration.

Some suggestions...[ http://www.arabacademy.com/arabic-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/300596_10150301752859901_291637344900_7655364_8024995_123.jpg ] and [ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PfZ0wtFfrv8/UV3A3KjwWsI/AAAAAAAABPk/Onjd0PjgBi8/s1600/IMG_2017.jpg ] and [ http://www.couturetravelcompany.com/images/0/0/0dfe2fce-e8c8-4b8d-9a02-8876302be4e8.jpg ] and [ http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KiOaMfX5hMU/TmpzygvwVLI/AAAAAAAAA7s/8b4guwOn_cU/s1600/Screen-shot-2011-09-09-at-5.53.00-PM.jpg ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the Institut du Monde does well (remembering it is in Paris rather than an Arabic country) is use a shading device on the elevation to moderate the amount of light entering the building and the degree of transparency. Nouvel has used a geometric and operable motif based on Arabic culture to achieve this end. [ <a href="http://blog.kineticarchitecture.net/2011/01/arab-world-institute/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://blog.kineticarchitecture.net/2011/01/arab-world-institute/</a> ] The interior directly benefits from this approach in creating an unusual degree of enclosure typical of the lattice.</p>
<p>My sense is that this approach could be used in a closely spaced Arabic urban environment both for climate control, privacy and moderating degrees of enclosure. I am sure that landscape architects could easily imagine a complementary appropriate response to the external urban environment which could blur into varying degrees of separation and integration.</p>
<p>Some suggestions&#8230;[ <a href="http://www.arabacademy.com/arabic-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/300596_10150301752859901_291637344900_7655364_8024995_123.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.arabacademy.com/arabic-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/300596_10150301752859901_291637344900_7655364_8024995_123.jpg</a> ] and [ <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PfZ0wtFfrv8/UV3A3KjwWsI/AAAAAAAABPk/Onjd0PjgBi8/s1600/IMG_2017.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PfZ0wtFfrv8/UV3A3KjwWsI/AAAAAAAABPk/Onjd0PjgBi8/s1600/IMG_2017.jpg</a> ] and [ <a href="http://www.couturetravelcompany.com/images/0/0/0dfe2fce-e8c8-4b8d-9a02-8876302be4e8.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.couturetravelcompany.com/images/0/0/0dfe2fce-e8c8-4b8d-9a02-8876302be4e8.jpg</a> ] and [ <a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KiOaMfX5hMU/TmpzygvwVLI/AAAAAAAAA7s/8b4guwOn_cU/s1600/Screen-shot-2011-09-09-at-5.53.00-PM.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KiOaMfX5hMU/TmpzygvwVLI/AAAAAAAAA7s/8b4guwOn_cU/s1600/Screen-shot-2011-09-09-at-5.53.00-PM.jpg</a> ]</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 06:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5932&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

The Institut du Monde Arabe has an interesting elevation and produces an appealing internal environment. But there is nothing Arab and little that is appealing about the external space it helps define and create.
I have been looking at the urban history of London&#039;s Whitehall over the last 1000 years. It has evolved slowly, in the English way, and what survives is both surprisingly large and surprisingly small. But for the fire in 1691 I guess they would have kept the old Whitehall Palace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Whitehall]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5932">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>The Institut du Monde Arabe has an interesting elevation and produces an appealing internal environment. But there is nothing Arab and little that is appealing about the external space it helps define and create.<br />
I have been looking at the urban history of London&#8217;s Whitehall over the last 1000 years. It has evolved slowly, in the English way, and what survives is both surprisingly large and surprisingly small. But for the fire in 1691 I guess they would have kept the old Whitehall Palace <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Whitehall" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Whitehall</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2014 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes to preserving the heritage of the old cities. There are plenty of examples in Europe about how to make them suitable for modern life.

The approach to new architecture I am thinking of is similar to Jean Nouvel.[ http://www.architectureoflife.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Parisin-Yeni-Parizyen-Yapilari-17.jpg ] and [ http://images.france-for-visitors.com/images/large/institut-du-monde-arabe.jpg ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes to preserving the heritage of the old cities. There are plenty of examples in Europe about how to make them suitable for modern life.</p>
<p>The approach to new architecture I am thinking of is similar to Jean Nouvel.[ <a href="http://www.architectureoflife.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Parisin-Yeni-Parizyen-Yapilari-17.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.architectureoflife.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Parisin-Yeni-Parizyen-Yapilari-17.jpg</a> ] and [ <a href="http://images.france-for-visitors.com/images/large/institut-du-monde-arabe.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://images.france-for-visitors.com/images/large/institut-du-monde-arabe.jpg</a> ]</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5930&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

John Lockerbie&#039;s article is excellent and it is surprising that it appears as a webpage - rather than the book it deserves to be. Describing the past and criticizing the present is easier than point to a way forward. But one policy which should have been applied to most of Asia&#039;s old cities is easily described: they should have been preserved. And they should still be preserved. The Chinese plan for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/demolishing-kashgars-history-7324895/?no-ist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;modernizing&#039; the old centre of Kashgar&lt;/a&gt; is seen, as anti-Muslim and anti-Uighar but, in reality, it is typical of almost all Asian cities.
Re the Gulf, it is easy to understand that living in air-conditioned apartment and traveling in an air-conditioned car to an air-conditioned shopping centre has more appeal than walking on a hot humid dusty street to hot humid dusty shop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/ebbsfleet-garden-city-the-landscape-architecture-will-be-calm-lush-and-green/#comment-5930">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>John Lockerbie&#8217;s article is excellent and it is surprising that it appears as a webpage &#8211; rather than the book it deserves to be. Describing the past and criticizing the present is easier than point to a way forward. But one policy which should have been applied to most of Asia&#8217;s old cities is easily described: they should have been preserved. And they should still be preserved. The Chinese plan for <a href="http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/demolishing-kashgars-history-7324895/?no-ist" rel="nofollow">&#8216;modernizing&#8217; the old centre of Kashgar</a> is seen, as anti-Muslim and anti-Uighar but, in reality, it is typical of almost all Asian cities.<br />
Re the Gulf, it is easy to understand that living in air-conditioned apartment and traveling in an air-conditioned car to an air-conditioned shopping centre has more appeal than walking on a hot humid dusty street to hot humid dusty shop.</p>
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