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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4671</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting. Although Arup&#039;s video was more about the philosophy behind the school than the
architectural design concept. Perhaps at this stage the idea of a sustainable school is more about learning ways of building which combined local craft traditions in construction and modern technical knowledge in the engineering approach?

Well it is interesting to know the Thames has a very European origin as a tributary of the Rhine. Apparently the profile of the river course can tell much about the age of the river - the merandering Thames is over 30 million years old.

Some wiki facts:

&quot;The English name of the Rhine derives from Old English Rīn, which descends from Proto-Germanic *Rīnaz. This is also the source of the name in the other Germanic languages such as Dutch Rijn (formerly also Rhijn), German Rhein, Romansh Rain (via German) and also French Rhin and Spanish Rin, which came into the language through Old Frankish. This in turn derives from Indo-European *Reynos, from the root *rey- &quot;to flow, to run&quot;, which is also the root of words like river and run. The Celtic/Gaulish name for the Rhine is Rēnos, which derives from the same Indo-European source as the Germanic name.&quot;

The initial source of the river is known to all people and pupils in Grisons and Switzerland as lying north of Lai da Tuma (Tomasee) on Vorderrhein...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. Although Arup&#8217;s video was more about the philosophy behind the school than the<br />
architectural design concept. Perhaps at this stage the idea of a sustainable school is more about learning ways of building which combined local craft traditions in construction and modern technical knowledge in the engineering approach?</p>
<p>Well it is interesting to know the Thames has a very European origin as a tributary of the Rhine. Apparently the profile of the river course can tell much about the age of the river &#8211; the merandering Thames is over 30 million years old.</p>
<p>Some wiki facts:</p>
<p>&#8220;The English name of the Rhine derives from Old English Rīn, which descends from Proto-Germanic *Rīnaz. This is also the source of the name in the other Germanic languages such as Dutch Rijn (formerly also Rhijn), German Rhein, Romansh Rain (via German) and also French Rhin and Spanish Rin, which came into the language through Old Frankish. This in turn derives from Indo-European *Reynos, from the root *rey- &#8220;to flow, to run&#8221;, which is also the root of words like river and run. The Celtic/Gaulish name for the Rhine is Rēnos, which derives from the same Indo-European source as the Germanic name.&#8221;</p>
<p>The initial source of the river is known to all people and pupils in Grisons and Switzerland as lying north of Lai da Tuma (Tomasee) on Vorderrhein&#8230;</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4669&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

There are a number of videos about the Druk White Lotus School:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjaAcvqmpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI9j4FK50U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_LfwX4pShY

It is also mentioned in Arup&#039;s (very good) promotional video
http://video.arup.com/?v=1_350wi7io

And YES the Thames is still shifting its course, for anthropogenic reasons in the short term and for geomorophological reasons in the longer term - which will make the impact of man trivial.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4669">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>There are a number of videos about the Druk White Lotus School:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjaAcvqmpw" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjaAcvqmpw</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI9j4FK50U" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uI9j4FK50U</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_LfwX4pShY" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_LfwX4pShY</a></p>
<p>It is also mentioned in Arup&#8217;s (very good) promotional video<br />
<a href="http://video.arup.com/?v=1_350wi7io" rel="nofollow ugc">http://video.arup.com/?v=1_350wi7io</a></p>
<p>And YES the Thames is still shifting its course, for anthropogenic reasons in the short term and for geomorophological reasons in the longer term &#8211; which will make the impact of man trivial.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thankyou for the technical information on the Druk White Lotus School. It would be wonderful to also have the architect&#039;s description of the design of the spaces?

Do you know if the course of the Thames is still shifting?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for the technical information on the Druk White Lotus School. It would be wonderful to also have the architect&#8217;s description of the design of the spaces?</p>
<p>Do you know if the course of the Thames is still shifting?</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have added the Museum of London&#039;s caption to the photograph of the chart. Humans will have to accept their fate with as much dignity as possible!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have added the Museum of London&#8217;s caption to the photograph of the chart. Humans will have to accept their fate with as much dignity as possible!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 06:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4666&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

The Druk White Lotus School is my favourite example of sustainable design. In a very cold and very sunny climate it is able to provide heating and ventilation by passive solar gain.They use thick walls, with trapdoors, and double-glazed panels outside the walls.
http://www.dwls.org/sustainability.html
http://www.solaripedia.com/files/639.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4666">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>The Druk White Lotus School is my favourite example of sustainable design. In a very cold and very sunny climate it is able to provide heating and ventilation by passive solar gain.They use thick walls, with trapdoors, and double-glazed panels outside the walls.<br />
<a href="http://www.dwls.org/sustainability.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dwls.org/sustainability.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.solaripedia.com/files/639.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.solaripedia.com/files/639.pdf</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 05:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Climate science is still in its infancy, interacts with many other associated scientific disciplines including the marine sciences, space sciences and geological sciences, and is incredibly complex...so it seems to be pretty much above and beyond everyone&#039;s head. Your recommendations (3)-(5)fit well with the precautionary principle.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle ]

An alternative or complement to the punkah-wallah is passive energy design for the built environment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate science is still in its infancy, interacts with many other associated scientific disciplines including the marine sciences, space sciences and geological sciences, and is incredibly complex&#8230;so it seems to be pretty much above and beyond everyone&#8217;s head. Your recommendations (3)-(5)fit well with the precautionary principle.<br />
[ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle</a> ]</p>
<p>An alternative or complement to the punkah-wallah is passive energy design for the built environment.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4665</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 08:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4664&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

The science is above, and below, my head. But my conclusions are (1) global warming has been in progress for 20,000 years - and continues (2) natural causes are overwhelmingly the primary cause, but humans have exacerbated and accelerated the process (3) we should take the opportunity which arises from the media feeding frenzy to constrain energy consumption and develop renewable sources of energy (4) everyone who possibly can should commute by bike, grow some of their own food and try to take their house off-grid (5) in cold countries, thermal clothing should be taught at school (6) in hot countries, punkah-wallah&#039;s should be eligible for the minimum wage]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4664">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>The science is above, and below, my head. But my conclusions are (1) global warming has been in progress for 20,000 years &#8211; and continues (2) natural causes are overwhelmingly the primary cause, but humans have exacerbated and accelerated the process (3) we should take the opportunity which arises from the media feeding frenzy to constrain energy consumption and develop renewable sources of energy (4) everyone who possibly can should commute by bike, grow some of their own food and try to take their house off-grid (5) in cold countries, thermal clothing should be taught at school (6) in hot countries, punkah-wallah&#8217;s should be eligible for the minimum wage</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 01:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortuneately if my understanding of the phenomena is correct, global warming is characterised by extremities of temperature - as much by extreme cold weather in winter as by extreme warm weather in summer. Not all areas will be affected by changes in climate in the in the same way.

Just when you thought is it safe to worry only about global warming due to increases in atmospheric carbon along came the sulphate...Robert J. Charlson&#039;s paper on Sulphate Aerosol and Global Warming [ http://www.washington.edu/research/pathbreakers/1969e.html ].

Here is a blog that discusses the interaction of Natural and Anthropogenic sources of sulphate emissions.[ http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/antrhopogenic-global-cooling/ ]

Lastly, it is to be hoped that the UK project talked about in this blog is any early April Fool&#039;s Day joke. [ http://www.naturalnews.com/033638_climate_science_global_cooling.html ] If not, Tom, lets hope they read the first paper by Charlson more carefully before proceeding!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortuneately if my understanding of the phenomena is correct, global warming is characterised by extremities of temperature &#8211; as much by extreme cold weather in winter as by extreme warm weather in summer. Not all areas will be affected by changes in climate in the in the same way.</p>
<p>Just when you thought is it safe to worry only about global warming due to increases in atmospheric carbon along came the sulphate&#8230;Robert J. Charlson&#8217;s paper on Sulphate Aerosol and Global Warming [ <a href="http://www.washington.edu/research/pathbreakers/1969e.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washington.edu/research/pathbreakers/1969e.html</a> ].</p>
<p>Here is a blog that discusses the interaction of Natural and Anthropogenic sources of sulphate emissions.[ <a href="http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/antrhopogenic-global-cooling/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/antrhopogenic-global-cooling/</a> ]</p>
<p>Lastly, it is to be hoped that the UK project talked about in this blog is any early April Fool&#8217;s Day joke. [ <a href="http://www.naturalnews.com/033638_climate_science_global_cooling.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.naturalnews.com/033638_climate_science_global_cooling.html</a> ] If not, Tom, lets hope they read the first paper by Charlson more carefully before proceeding!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4662&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

The &#039;trigger&#039; I have heard most about is the North Atlantic Drift Current, which may cause a freeze up in North Europe. But if the global climate becomes cooler I am going to think that the cause Natural, not Anthropogenic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/climate-change-in-london-and-the-thames-estuary/#comment-4662">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8216;trigger&#8217; I have heard most about is the North Atlantic Drift Current, which may cause a freeze up in North Europe. But if the global climate becomes cooler I am going to think that the cause Natural, not Anthropogenic.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes. The climate debate is still heating up! It is very useful to review as much of the near time evidence and predictions as we can as well as the long range trends. The short range data will tell us much about Anthropogenic warming while the long range data will tell us much about Natural warming.

As Jon points out the interaction of the two types of warming depends largely on trigger mechanisms and how they are effected.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. The climate debate is still heating up! It is very useful to review as much of the near time evidence and predictions as we can as well as the long range trends. The short range data will tell us much about Anthropogenic warming while the long range data will tell us much about Natural warming.</p>
<p>As Jon points out the interaction of the two types of warming depends largely on trigger mechanisms and how they are effected.</p>
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