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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, hopefully there wont be a European crisis similar to the one occasioned by black death which was a bit like a near extinction? [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death ] Gosh, the poor Jewsih population, history says they should be very worried when things aren&#039;t going so well in Europe. A little less Christian religious fevour is most probably very good for them!

If the roots of Capitalism are arguably traced back to this phenomenon, what will be the economic outcome of widespread population decline in Europe?

It must be necessary to consider population according to its effects on the society, the environment and the economy in order to ensure sustainable development.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, hopefully there wont be a European crisis similar to the one occasioned by black death which was a bit like a near extinction? [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death</a> ] Gosh, the poor Jewsih population, history says they should be very worried when things aren&#8217;t going so well in Europe. A little less Christian religious fevour is most probably very good for them!</p>
<p>If the roots of Capitalism are arguably traced back to this phenomenon, what will be the economic outcome of widespread population decline in Europe?</p>
<p>It must be necessary to consider population according to its effects on the society, the environment and the economy in order to ensure sustainable development.</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4743&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Here is a hard question for governments &#039;Is population growth a good thing?&#039; Without an answer &#039;population policy&#039; becomes too-difficult. Politicians tend to get elected if they can do well for the economy and there is good evidence that more youthful populations are more econcomically active than aging populations. But environmentalists worry that over-population will result in the near-extinction of &lt;em&gt;Homo sapiens&lt;/em&gt; - the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/08/03/the-easter-island-path-to-perdition-could-show-where-humanity-is-heading/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Easter Island effect&lt;/a&gt;. Talk about &#039;saving the planet&#039; is really talk about saving our species. The planet is pretty good at looking after itself and has ALWAYS been in flux with all species becoming extinct, in time.
The most telling statistic, for me, in the article on New Zealand is the linking of education to fertility.
As an environmentalist, I am alarmed by excess population growth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4743">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Here is a hard question for governments &#8216;Is population growth a good thing?&#8217; Without an answer &#8216;population policy&#8217; becomes too-difficult. Politicians tend to get elected if they can do well for the economy and there is good evidence that more youthful populations are more econcomically active than aging populations. But environmentalists worry that over-population will result in the near-extinction of <em>Homo sapiens</em> &#8211; the <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/08/03/the-easter-island-path-to-perdition-could-show-where-humanity-is-heading/" rel="nofollow">Easter Island effect</a>. Talk about &#8216;saving the planet&#8217; is really talk about saving our species. The planet is pretty good at looking after itself and has ALWAYS been in flux with all species becoming extinct, in time.<br />
The most telling statistic, for me, in the article on New Zealand is the linking of education to fertility.<br />
As an environmentalist, I am alarmed by excess population growth.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the government in Japan is serious about population policy or whether cultural change in gender relationships is just too difficult? [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility ] It is interesting that factors attributed to this phenomenon globally include 1) education levels 2) job insecurity 3) high cost of living 4) lifestyle change and expectations 5) the use of contraception 6) female participation in the workforce 7) religion 8) unstable relationships.

The linking of education, employment and female fertility is quite dangerous as a policy issue.[ http://ips.ac.nz/publications/files/de7a83ae960.pdf ]

Do men seriously think the only reason that females should want to marry them is for economic support? If so the socio-cultural problem and its consequences in the flow on policy conext is large indeed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the government in Japan is serious about population policy or whether cultural change in gender relationships is just too difficult? [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility</a> ] It is interesting that factors attributed to this phenomenon globally include 1) education levels 2) job insecurity 3) high cost of living 4) lifestyle change and expectations 5) the use of contraception 6) female participation in the workforce 7) religion 8) unstable relationships.</p>
<p>The linking of education, employment and female fertility is quite dangerous as a policy issue.[ <a href="http://ips.ac.nz/publications/files/de7a83ae960.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ips.ac.nz/publications/files/de7a83ae960.pdf</a> ]</p>
<p>Do men seriously think the only reason that females should want to marry them is for economic support? If so the socio-cultural problem and its consequences in the flow on policy conext is large indeed!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4741&quot;&gt;christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. As one might say, the meaning of &#039;dominion&#039; opens up a can of worms. First one would have to know how it was used in the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) then one would have to know if its meaning changed with the advent of Christianity (the New Testament).  I have heard it argued that the Hebrew word was closer to &#039;a duty of care&#039; than a &#039;right to exploit&#039;.  But one can set against this the historical fact that Christianity is associated with much human expansion, population growth, colonisation, pollution etc.
Good to hear that the detested mosquito (which, thankfully, does not like me very much) has a useful role in the planetry ecosystem.
I think it is Japanese women, rather than Japanese men, who are reluctant to marry. Men, it is said, treat them as unpaid servants and goodness knows what else (Japanese porn has a reputation for being weirdly bizarre).  Women are coming to prefer dogs to children http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/08/why-japan-prefers-pets-to-parenthood]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4741">christine</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. As one might say, the meaning of &#8216;dominion&#8217; opens up a can of worms. First one would have to know how it was used in the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) then one would have to know if its meaning changed with the advent of Christianity (the New Testament).  I have heard it argued that the Hebrew word was closer to &#8216;a duty of care&#8217; than a &#8216;right to exploit&#8217;.  But one can set against this the historical fact that Christianity is associated with much human expansion, population growth, colonisation, pollution etc.<br />
Good to hear that the detested mosquito (which, thankfully, does not like me very much) has a useful role in the planetry ecosystem.<br />
I think it is Japanese women, rather than Japanese men, who are reluctant to marry. Men, it is said, treat them as unpaid servants and goodness knows what else (Japanese porn has a reputation for being weirdly bizarre).  Women are coming to prefer dogs to children <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/08/why-japan-prefers-pets-to-parenthood" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/jun/08/why-japan-prefers-pets-to-parenthood</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 05:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is difficult to understand exactly what dominion means. For example, could it be somewhat equivalent to being endowed with freewill? Or is it a strictly governance term linked to a theocractic society? [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism ] Is the dominion responsibility restricted to the animal kingdom?

It seems to eliminate mosquitos rather than just the diseases they carry would be a major ecological mistake. [ http://insects.about.com/od/flies/f/what-good-are-mosquitoes.htm ]

Are Japanese young people averse to marriage and children? Is this effecting the rate of population replacement? [ http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-25/three-reasons-japan-s-economic-pain-is-getting-worse ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is difficult to understand exactly what dominion means. For example, could it be somewhat equivalent to being endowed with freewill? Or is it a strictly governance term linked to a theocractic society? [ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism</a> ] Is the dominion responsibility restricted to the animal kingdom?</p>
<p>It seems to eliminate mosquitos rather than just the diseases they carry would be a major ecological mistake. [ <a href="http://insects.about.com/od/flies/f/what-good-are-mosquitoes.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://insects.about.com/od/flies/f/what-good-are-mosquitoes.htm</a> ]</p>
<p>Are Japanese young people averse to marriage and children? Is this effecting the rate of population replacement? [ <a href="http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-25/three-reasons-japan-s-economic-pain-is-getting-worse" rel="nofollow ugc">http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-25/three-reasons-japan-s-economic-pain-is-getting-worse</a> ]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 04:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4738&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

If man is &#039;just another animal&#039;, rather than a special species which has  dominion over &#039;every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth&#039; then ethical principles should be extended to the animal kingdom.  The problem is that this would make war on mosquitos etc a crime on a par with genocide.
The trend in Japan&#039;s population indicates that the animal kingdoms may fare better in future than they have done in the past century. If present trends continue, for example, Japan&#039;s population will fall back to 40m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Demographic_statistics_from_the_CIA_World_Factbook.  And there are many indications of similar falls elsewhere (except in Africa).  So maybe the animals will once again have dominion over humans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4738">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>If man is &#8216;just another animal&#8217;, rather than a special species which has  dominion over &#8216;every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth&#8217; then ethical principles should be extended to the animal kingdom.  The problem is that this would make war on mosquitos etc a crime on a par with genocide.<br />
The trend in Japan&#8217;s population indicates that the animal kingdoms may fare better in future than they have done in the past century. If present trends continue, for example, Japan&#8217;s population will fall back to 40m <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Demographic_statistics_from_the_CIA_World_Factbook" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan#Demographic_statistics_from_the_CIA_World_Factbook</a>.  And there are many indications of similar falls elsewhere (except in Africa).  So maybe the animals will once again have dominion over humans.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 03:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ps. sorry for the typos. Could you add an edit function?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps. sorry for the typos. Could you add an edit function?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 03:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quite right, in our dominion over the animals we do commonly require some of them which we percieve as being harmful or risky to humans to be sterilized without the same ethical concerns that would accompany a Eugenics program.

It is interesting that in indigenous society the notion of increase and decrease ceremonies and strict kinship relationships managed the size of the population of both humans and animals who occupied strict territorial boundaries.
[ http://ozoutback.com.au/Australia/jarduwanpa/index.html ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right, in our dominion over the animals we do commonly require some of them which we percieve as being harmful or risky to humans to be sterilized without the same ethical concerns that would accompany a Eugenics program.</p>
<p>It is interesting that in indigenous society the notion of increase and decrease ceremonies and strict kinship relationships managed the size of the population of both humans and animals who occupied strict territorial boundaries.<br />
[ <a href="http://ozoutback.com.au/Australia/jarduwanpa/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ozoutback.com.au/Australia/jarduwanpa/index.html</a> ]</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4736&quot;&gt;Christine&lt;/a&gt;.

Some of those who worry about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/dinosaurs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the lack of information about dinosaurs in the Bible&lt;/a&gt; argue that the above reference to &#039;sea-monsters&#039; shows that they ARE mentioned, though the Hebrew word can also mean dragons.  In the east, which has more enthusiasm for dragons than the west, it is pretty well agreed that the idea of dragons comes from crocodiles. How they became a symbol of love and good luck in Chinese culture is problematic. Most people think of crocs as harmful to humans and therefore, presumably, meriting extinction like the mosquito and the tetse fly - if humans are to have dominion over the earth.  But if we could teach mosquitos to occupy a limited territory and practice birth control and not become illegal immigrants then we could have a World Mosquito Reserve. Once it has eliminated malaria the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would, presumably, be willing to provide the funding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/changing-attitudes-to-religion-marriage-and-the-environment/#comment-4736">Christine</a>.</p>
<p>Some of those who worry about <a href="http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/dinosaurs.html" rel="nofollow">the lack of information about dinosaurs in the Bible</a> argue that the above reference to &#8216;sea-monsters&#8217; shows that they ARE mentioned, though the Hebrew word can also mean dragons.  In the east, which has more enthusiasm for dragons than the west, it is pretty well agreed that the idea of dragons comes from crocodiles. How they became a symbol of love and good luck in Chinese culture is problematic. Most people think of crocs as harmful to humans and therefore, presumably, meriting extinction like the mosquito and the tetse fly &#8211; if humans are to have dominion over the earth.  But if we could teach mosquitos to occupy a limited territory and practice birth control and not become illegal immigrants then we could have a World Mosquito Reserve. Once it has eliminated malaria the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation would, presumably, be willing to provide the funding.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 01:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The story you relate of the Bereishit (in the Beginning)is on Day Six:

Sixth day: God had the earth bring forth living creatures, and made man in God’s image, male and female, giving man dominion over the animals and the earth, and blessed man to be fruitful and multiply. (Genesis 1:24–28) God gave vegetation to man and to the animals for food. (Genesis 1:29–30)

Yet God also gave the command on Day Five to the &quot;great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind&quot; (at 22)[ http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm#24 ]to &#039;Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.&#039;

Luckily He didn&#039;t also give them dominion or they too would have had to resist the temptation to eat the apple and worry about whether or not to use birth control!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story you relate of the Bereishit (in the Beginning)is on Day Six:</p>
<p>Sixth day: God had the earth bring forth living creatures, and made man in God’s image, male and female, giving man dominion over the animals and the earth, and blessed man to be fruitful and multiply. (Genesis 1:24–28) God gave vegetation to man and to the animals for food. (Genesis 1:29–30)</p>
<p>Yet God also gave the command on Day Five to the &#8220;great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind&#8221; (at 22)[ <a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm#24" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0101.htm#24</a> ]to &#8216;Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.&#8217;</p>
<p>Luckily He didn&#8217;t also give them dominion or they too would have had to resist the temptation to eat the apple and worry about whether or not to use birth control!</p>
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