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		By: simin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am from Iran and i admire your desire to research in Iranian&#039;s garden,and i wish your wish. I am architecture and i am investigating the Persian gardens too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am from Iran and i admire your desire to research in Iranian&#8217;s garden,and i wish your wish. I am architecture and i am investigating the Persian gardens too.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, the Edward Fitzgerald version, most famous and dubbed &quot;The Rubaiyat of FitzOmar&quot; for its poetic licence with the original text - which is entirely appropriate, of course! A literal, rhyming translation of those opening verses goes something like this:

Even from the bright rising sun
The moon that has playfully spun
We learn love, joy, and even fun
Before our time’s sand has run.

Early one morning I heard an angelic chime
Bringing news of a loving and joyous clime
Pursuit of the unimportant is the worst crime
Live in joy &#038; love before the end of your time.

I live life just like a game
Joy by any other name
And joy till death all the same
Even my grave shall proclaim
Joy has been my only fame.

IV - can&#039;t find this one, he probably made it up!

I watched the birds on nature’s stage
Playful, in flight, page after page
Thus opened the doors of my cage
&#038; learnt each moment to fully engage.

As we can see, he certainly...embellished it a little! As he himself put it: &quot;...very unliteral as it is. Many quatrains are mashed together: and something lost, I doubt, of Omar&#039;s simplicity, which is so much a virtue in him.&quot;

Judge for yourselves!

Tom, I admire your desire to contribute to these gardens - the finest things in life beyond our families, such as art, science, music and horticulture, have no home or boundaries. They shift through humankind like a creeping sand dune, carried wherever people will work for them. The knowledge of gardens passed through ancient Persia, on through time to you and now it is meandering back along its own steps. Whatever wisdom of horticulture existed then is alive in you now, indeed, it has been growing with each generation. I look forward to hearing what happens!

Edward]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the Edward Fitzgerald version, most famous and dubbed &#8220;The Rubaiyat of FitzOmar&#8221; for its poetic licence with the original text &#8211; which is entirely appropriate, of course! A literal, rhyming translation of those opening verses goes something like this:</p>
<p>Even from the bright rising sun<br />
The moon that has playfully spun<br />
We learn love, joy, and even fun<br />
Before our time’s sand has run.</p>
<p>Early one morning I heard an angelic chime<br />
Bringing news of a loving and joyous clime<br />
Pursuit of the unimportant is the worst crime<br />
Live in joy &amp; love before the end of your time.</p>
<p>I live life just like a game<br />
Joy by any other name<br />
And joy till death all the same<br />
Even my grave shall proclaim<br />
Joy has been my only fame.</p>
<p>IV &#8211; can&#8217;t find this one, he probably made it up!</p>
<p>I watched the birds on nature’s stage<br />
Playful, in flight, page after page<br />
Thus opened the doors of my cage<br />
&amp; learnt each moment to fully engage.</p>
<p>As we can see, he certainly&#8230;embellished it a little! As he himself put it: &#8220;&#8230;very unliteral as it is. Many quatrains are mashed together: and something lost, I doubt, of Omar&#8217;s simplicity, which is so much a virtue in him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Judge for yourselves!</p>
<p>Tom, I admire your desire to contribute to these gardens &#8211; the finest things in life beyond our families, such as art, science, music and horticulture, have no home or boundaries. They shift through humankind like a creeping sand dune, carried wherever people will work for them. The knowledge of gardens passed through ancient Persia, on through time to you and now it is meandering back along its own steps. Whatever wisdom of horticulture existed then is alive in you now, indeed, it has been growing with each generation. I look forward to hearing what happens!</p>
<p>Edward</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Wiki entry on tea says &quot;Camellia sinensis originated in southeast Asia, specifically around the intersection of latitude 29°N and longitude 98°E, the point of confluence of the lands of northeast India, north Burma, southwest China and Tibet. The plant was introduced to more than 52 countries, from this ‘centre of origin’.&quot; The plant must have come from this region, though Camellia sinensis grows in northern Iran. But, one wonders, was tea or wine the most popular drink in Persian gardens?
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&lt;em&gt;Here with a Loaf of Bread beneath the Bough,
A Flask of Wine, a Book of Verse---and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness---
And Wilderness is Paradise enow.&lt;/em&gt;
Since the Islamic revolution wine production has ceased in Iran, though Shiraz grapes are grown in Australia and elsewhere, thank goodness. I have not heard of illicit fermentation of the grape in Iran, but suspect it takes place.

Here is Wendy Cope’s South London translation:

&lt;em&gt;Here with a Bag of Crisps beneath the Bough,
A Can of Beer, a Radio – and Thou
Beside me half asleep in Brockwell Park
And Brockwell Park is Paradise enow.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wiki entry on tea says &#8220;Camellia sinensis originated in southeast Asia, specifically around the intersection of latitude 29°N and longitude 98°E, the point of confluence of the lands of northeast India, north Burma, southwest China and Tibet. The plant was introduced to more than 52 countries, from this ‘centre of origin’.&#8221; The plant must have come from this region, though Camellia sinensis grows in northern Iran. But, one wonders, was tea or wine the most popular drink in Persian gardens?<br />
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<em>Here with a Loaf of Bread beneath the Bough,<br />
A Flask of Wine, a Book of Verse&#8212;and Thou<br />
Beside me singing in the Wilderness&#8212;<br />
And Wilderness is Paradise enow.</em><br />
Since the Islamic revolution wine production has ceased in Iran, though Shiraz grapes are grown in Australia and elsewhere, thank goodness. I have not heard of illicit fermentation of the grape in Iran, but suspect it takes place.</p>
<p>Here is Wendy Cope’s South London translation:</p>
<p><em>Here with a Bag of Crisps beneath the Bough,<br />
A Can of Beer, a Radio – and Thou<br />
Beside me half asleep in Brockwell Park<br />
And Brockwell Park is Paradise enow.</em></p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do you think there is a relationship between the Iranian teahouse tradition and islamic gardens as there is in Japan?[ http://www.destoop.com/trip/3%20DAYBYDAY/011031%20Erzurum/Teahouses.htm ]
Hmmm, yes there must be...[ http://www.eturbonews.com/11501/daily-tea-party-iran ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think there is a relationship between the Iranian teahouse tradition and islamic gardens as there is in Japan?[ <a href="http://www.destoop.com/trip/3%20DAYBYDAY/011031%20Erzurum/Teahouses.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.destoop.com/trip/3%20DAYBYDAY/011031%20Erzurum/Teahouses.htm</a> ]<br />
Hmmm, yes there must be&#8230;[ <a href="http://www.eturbonews.com/11501/daily-tea-party-iran" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.eturbonews.com/11501/daily-tea-party-iran</a> ]</p>
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