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		By: contemporary water feature		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/a-landscape-of-ambiguity/#comment-397</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is so beautiful. It&#039;s very attractive.

The light brought life to it. I really like it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so beautiful. It&#8217;s very attractive.</p>
<p>The light brought life to it. I really like it.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/a-landscape-of-ambiguity/#comment-396</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WiFi - Great idea! Looks like BT would be open to some alt energy/low carbon symbiotic suggestions?

Could you also look for ground or other upper level opportunities to connect Colombo House with the site when you are taking photographs. [ie I am interested in the openings (windows and doors) and ways in and out/and through the building.]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WiFi &#8211; Great idea! Looks like BT would be open to some alt energy/low carbon symbiotic suggestions?</p>
<p>Could you also look for ground or other upper level opportunities to connect Colombo House with the site when you are taking photographs. [ie I am interested in the openings (windows and doors) and ways in and out/and through the building.]</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There was much discussion of &#039;design with microclimate&#039; when I was a student but, despite the concern for global warming, it has faded away. Chip Sullivan wrote a book on Garden and Climate: Old World Techniques for Landscape Design (2002) but it concentrates on historical analysis and I have not noticed that practitioners are nearly as interested in it as they should be.
I will visit the Blackfriars site and take some photographs when I can. I guess is that it is a vacancy with development potential arising from the fact that so many &#039;activity generators&#039; have sprung to life in the vicinity: Tate Britain, Borough Market, London Eye etc.
BT have put wind turbines on Colombo House http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3233
They could use the power to make the &#039;square&#039; into a free WiFi zone, like Bryant Park http://www.bryantpark.org/amenities/wireless.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was much discussion of &#8216;design with microclimate&#8217; when I was a student but, despite the concern for global warming, it has faded away. Chip Sullivan wrote a book on Garden and Climate: Old World Techniques for Landscape Design (2002) but it concentrates on historical analysis and I have not noticed that practitioners are nearly as interested in it as they should be.<br />
I will visit the Blackfriars site and take some photographs when I can. I guess is that it is a vacancy with development potential arising from the fact that so many &#8216;activity generators&#8217; have sprung to life in the vicinity: Tate Britain, Borough Market, London Eye etc.<br />
BT have put wind turbines on Colombo House <a href="http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3233" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/3233</a><br />
They could use the power to make the &#8216;square&#8217; into a free WiFi zone, like Bryant Park <a href="http://www.bryantpark.org/amenities/wireless.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bryantpark.org/amenities/wireless.php</a></p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/a-landscape-of-ambiguity/#comment-394</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Images especially movie images are seductive.[http://www.ahd-imaging.com/projects/Greengate/index.php?image=Sequence_01&#038;title=Sequence_01&#038;content=main_text&quot;&#062;Greengate] It means, as designers the process of (phenomenological) rather than merely visual imagining is more important than ever!

It would seem that icebars operate at minus five degrees. The original -[http://www.scantours.com/Absolut_Ice_Bar.htm] The concept gains traction -[http://randomnessmind.blogspot.com/2008/05/icebar.html] The concept is adapted -[http://www.london-eating.co.uk/venues/venue.asp?venue=61] (So you can experiment in London with your level of asceticism!)

In this design I am not being conceptually strict about an &#039;icebar&#039; rather the notion that it is possible to create other &#039;experiences&#039; in what might otherwise be unusual comfort conditions. So if you use the &#039;uncomfortable&#039; conditions naturally provided creatively???

Building design often uses climate data to set indoor comfort conditions. According to John Martin in his paper &#039;Evaluating comfort with varying temperature: a graphical tool&#039; [published in Energy and Buildings Volume 35, Issue 1, January 2003, Pages 87-93] for outdoor conditions the wind chill index and the index of thermal sensation use air temperature and wind speed to determine ambient temperature conditions. Colder climates are said (hmm this can definitely be qualified) to have less temperature variations throughout the day.

However most interesting is the following assessment of human activity and climate;

&quot;The daily rhythm of activities will include the journey to work, exposed to the outdoor temperature and conditions in transport vehicles, the conditions in the office, factory or other work place and the return journey with different outdoor temperatures.

Adjustments in clothing and activity levels are possible within certain limits, though a complete change of clothing to respond to different environmental conditions is unusual, except in extreme cases such as workers in refrigerated storage or blast furnaces, participants in sports activities, etc....&quot;

The book exchange is a great idea for the British Library site. I have always loved the idea of the bohemian part of Paris, I am not sure if it is Montparnasse [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse], where second hand books were sold. Or Montmartre [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmartre]. It was not so much the seediness or sinfulness of the area which attracted, but the exchange of ideas. See Gibert Jeune:[http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/Paris/Shopping/Paris_bookstores.shtml]

I agree Stefan the idea of steam emerging from the ground at a heated bar area is an evocative one! I think we keep all these ideas in the virtual sketch book until we have a clearer idea about site conditions etc.

From the map you sent Tom the site looks substantial in area. Do you know if it has a current use (ie car parking?). As an architect I am itching for photographs of the buildings surrounding the site (ie internal court and street side). There are some of Blackfriars Road on this site.[http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=457359]

There are patches of greenery surrounding the site. It would be great to have a clearer idea of what they are...if there are any opportunities for habitat connection or reinforcement?

Also some idea of the surrounding uses of the area: ie. I noticed Blackfriars Road has nightclubs, resturants, cafes, office space....

It would also seem Martha Schwartz has given some consideration to the area in her Green Hub proposal. She says of Blackfriars road;

&quot;Blackfriars Road is one of the major corridors leading into and out of central London. It is an important route for vehicular traffic and a clearly defined route for foot travel. It is a well-worn thorough fare resulting from hudnred of years of travel by countless people. Although it cannot be called a beautiful or great street as of yet, ithas presence and a place within the soul of London.

The years of wear and changing circumstances have worn the street down to the point of having an air of neglect and sadness. Few people walk down this street in order to experience the ambience and savor its environment. The to the contrary, people dash across the busy street dodging traffic. People have to negotiate their crossing carefully, and those who wish to travel along its length tend to find alternative ways to travel so as to avoid its noise, speed and frantic energy.&quot;

The road leads down to Southbank and the Thames. [http://wiki.worldflicks.org/waterloo_east_station.html#coords=(51.50519652784749,%20-0.10433793067932129)&#038;z=16] WHAT A FANTASTIC SITE!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Images especially movie images are seductive.[http://www.ahd-imaging.com/projects/Greengate/index.php?image=Sequence_01&amp;title=Sequence_01&amp;content=main_text&#8221;&gt;Greengate] It means, as designers the process of (phenomenological) rather than merely visual imagining is more important than ever!</p>
<p>It would seem that icebars operate at minus five degrees. The original -[http://www.scantours.com/Absolut_Ice_Bar.htm] The concept gains traction -[http://randomnessmind.blogspot.com/2008/05/icebar.html] The concept is adapted -[http://www.london-eating.co.uk/venues/venue.asp?venue=61] (So you can experiment in London with your level of asceticism!)</p>
<p>In this design I am not being conceptually strict about an &#8216;icebar&#8217; rather the notion that it is possible to create other &#8216;experiences&#8217; in what might otherwise be unusual comfort conditions. So if you use the &#8216;uncomfortable&#8217; conditions naturally provided creatively???</p>
<p>Building design often uses climate data to set indoor comfort conditions. According to John Martin in his paper &#8216;Evaluating comfort with varying temperature: a graphical tool&#8217; [published in Energy and Buildings Volume 35, Issue 1, January 2003, Pages 87-93] for outdoor conditions the wind chill index and the index of thermal sensation use air temperature and wind speed to determine ambient temperature conditions. Colder climates are said (hmm this can definitely be qualified) to have less temperature variations throughout the day.</p>
<p>However most interesting is the following assessment of human activity and climate;</p>
<p>&#8220;The daily rhythm of activities will include the journey to work, exposed to the outdoor temperature and conditions in transport vehicles, the conditions in the office, factory or other work place and the return journey with different outdoor temperatures.</p>
<p>Adjustments in clothing and activity levels are possible within certain limits, though a complete change of clothing to respond to different environmental conditions is unusual, except in extreme cases such as workers in refrigerated storage or blast furnaces, participants in sports activities, etc&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>The book exchange is a great idea for the British Library site. I have always loved the idea of the bohemian part of Paris, I am not sure if it is Montparnasse [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montparnasse], where second hand books were sold. Or Montmartre [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmartre]. It was not so much the seediness or sinfulness of the area which attracted, but the exchange of ideas. See Gibert Jeune:[http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/Paris/Shopping/Paris_bookstores.shtml]</p>
<p>I agree Stefan the idea of steam emerging from the ground at a heated bar area is an evocative one! I think we keep all these ideas in the virtual sketch book until we have a clearer idea about site conditions etc.</p>
<p>From the map you sent Tom the site looks substantial in area. Do you know if it has a current use (ie car parking?). As an architect I am itching for photographs of the buildings surrounding the site (ie internal court and street side). There are some of Blackfriars Road on this site.[http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=457359]</p>
<p>There are patches of greenery surrounding the site. It would be great to have a clearer idea of what they are&#8230;if there are any opportunities for habitat connection or reinforcement?</p>
<p>Also some idea of the surrounding uses of the area: ie. I noticed Blackfriars Road has nightclubs, resturants, cafes, office space&#8230;.</p>
<p>It would also seem Martha Schwartz has given some consideration to the area in her Green Hub proposal. She says of Blackfriars road;</p>
<p>&#8220;Blackfriars Road is one of the major corridors leading into and out of central London. It is an important route for vehicular traffic and a clearly defined route for foot travel. It is a well-worn thorough fare resulting from hudnred of years of travel by countless people. Although it cannot be called a beautiful or great street as of yet, ithas presence and a place within the soul of London.</p>
<p>The years of wear and changing circumstances have worn the street down to the point of having an air of neglect and sadness. Few people walk down this street in order to experience the ambience and savor its environment. The to the contrary, people dash across the busy street dodging traffic. People have to negotiate their crossing carefully, and those who wish to travel along its length tend to find alternative ways to travel so as to avoid its noise, speed and frantic energy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The road leads down to Southbank and the Thames. [http://wiki.worldflicks.org/waterloo_east_station.html#coords=(51.50519652784749,%20-0.10433793067932129)&amp;z=16] WHAT A FANTASTIC SITE!!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can see the site on Wikimapia. It is at the + in the centre of the map and seems to belong to BT: http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.5049895&amp;lon=-0.1051855&amp;z=16&amp;l=0&amp;m=a&amp;v=2&amp;search=blackfriars%20road%20london]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see the site on Wikimapia. It is at the + in the centre of the map and seems to belong to BT: <a href="http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.5049895&#038;lon=-0.1051855&#038;z=16&#038;l=0&#038;m=a&#038;v=2&#038;search=blackfriars%20road%20london" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wikimapia.org/#lat=51.5049895&#038;lon=-0.1051855&#038;z=16&#038;l=0&#038;m=a&#038;v=2&#038;search=blackfriars%20road%20london</a></p>
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		By: stefan		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/a-landscape-of-ambiguity/#comment-392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stefan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m too far away from london to make a site visit any time soon. the most likely candidate i&#039;ve found for the site on google maps so far is just off meymott st. perhaps Tom can confirm?

ps. if we&#039;re using radiated water to heat the bar area, perhaps we could get steam emerging from the ground. that would look cool!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m too far away from london to make a site visit any time soon. the most likely candidate i&#8217;ve found for the site on google maps so far is just off meymott st. perhaps Tom can confirm?</p>
<p>ps. if we&#8217;re using radiated water to heat the bar area, perhaps we could get steam emerging from the ground. that would look cool!</p>
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		By: Tom Turner		</title>
		<link>https://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/a-landscape-of-ambiguity/#comment-391</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am unsure what you mean by an Ice Bar. Would it be a place to be warm in winter or cool in summer? Both are desirable but the name Ice Bar suggests a place to enjoy the cold - and I am not sufficiently ascetic for this!
Re the property-related issues, I think it is often the case that &#039;public&#039; open spaces should be accessible for public use but in the ownership and control of the adjoining land owners. So you could make this an assumption on which to build the design. If the land is in public ownership, there could be a long-lease-back arrangement with the building owners to let them develop the space as a climate-controlled outdoor wine bar. There is a plaza outside the British Library [ http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/british_library_piazza ]which was largely vacant when the building opened but which now has a cafe and is becoming better used all the time. I would like to see it used as a Book Crossing site [ http://www.bookcrossing.com/ ]with shelves to let readers dispose of and acquire books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am unsure what you mean by an Ice Bar. Would it be a place to be warm in winter or cool in summer? Both are desirable but the name Ice Bar suggests a place to enjoy the cold &#8211; and I am not sufficiently ascetic for this!<br />
Re the property-related issues, I think it is often the case that &#8216;public&#8217; open spaces should be accessible for public use but in the ownership and control of the adjoining land owners. So you could make this an assumption on which to build the design. If the land is in public ownership, there could be a long-lease-back arrangement with the building owners to let them develop the space as a climate-controlled outdoor wine bar. There is a plaza outside the British Library [ <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/british_library_piazza" rel="ugc">http://www.gardenvisit.com/garden/british_library_piazza</a> ]which was largely vacant when the building opened but which now has a cafe and is becoming better used all the time. I would like to see it used as a Book Crossing site [ <a href="http://www.bookcrossing.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bookcrossing.com/</a> ]with shelves to let readers dispose of and acquire books.</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom you are more than welcome to design (and make) the sustainable heating system for the Wine Bar!

Outdoor heating is not a technology I have given a lot of thought to recently! There seems to be quite a few applications for outdoor heating that I wasn&#039;t aware of....
[http://www.warmzone.com/SnowMelting/danfossgx_installation.php] [http://www.outdoor-heating-guide.com/blog/88_blog.php]
[http://www.flogas.ie/flogasforworking/outdoor_heating_systems.php]

I suspect some or all of these systems, like the gradual warming of London from Elizabethan times until the Thames stopped freezing over in winter, contribute to global warming, as well as human comfort and convenience.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs]

Does this suggestion mean there is not much support for the idea of an &#039;ice bar&#039;? (ie. designing the space so that it can be enjoyed in naturally cold/variable weather conditions? Perhaps by encouraging particular ways of occupying the space and dressing for the environment?)Or does this idea also remain on the drawingboard?

The paper by Simos Yannis &#039;Toward more sustainable cities&#039;(published online by ScienceDirect Feb 2001)on microclimate might be of interest. Of particular note is the suggestion that mid-winter sunshine values in London are again reducing due to traffic pollution! Perhaps once Stefan has visited the site we could agree on the environmental aims of the design. For example one might be a nett reduction in the heat island effect for the site? [See the brief in the paper for the Athens site.] The paper is also published in Solar Energy Vol. 70, No. 3, pp. 281–294, 2001.

Or we could make a wish list and then add and subtract from it as the concept progresses!!

I have briefly considered that there will be property related issues in the design concept (ie access to the adjacent building for the water curtain installation and for use as a screen and signage surface.) I am not sure how far property and planning constraints should limit our conceptual thinking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom you are more than welcome to design (and make) the sustainable heating system for the Wine Bar!</p>
<p>Outdoor heating is not a technology I have given a lot of thought to recently! There seems to be quite a few applications for outdoor heating that I wasn&#8217;t aware of&#8230;.<br />
[http://www.warmzone.com/SnowMelting/danfossgx_installation.php] [http://www.outdoor-heating-guide.com/blog/88_blog.php]<br />
[http://www.flogas.ie/flogasforworking/outdoor_heating_systems.php]</p>
<p>I suspect some or all of these systems, like the gradual warming of London from Elizabethan times until the Thames stopped freezing over in winter, contribute to global warming, as well as human comfort and convenience.<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Thames_frost_fairs]</p>
<p>Does this suggestion mean there is not much support for the idea of an &#8216;ice bar&#8217;? (ie. designing the space so that it can be enjoyed in naturally cold/variable weather conditions? Perhaps by encouraging particular ways of occupying the space and dressing for the environment?)Or does this idea also remain on the drawingboard?</p>
<p>The paper by Simos Yannis &#8216;Toward more sustainable cities'(published online by ScienceDirect Feb 2001)on microclimate might be of interest. Of particular note is the suggestion that mid-winter sunshine values in London are again reducing due to traffic pollution! Perhaps once Stefan has visited the site we could agree on the environmental aims of the design. For example one might be a nett reduction in the heat island effect for the site? [See the brief in the paper for the Athens site.] The paper is also published in Solar Energy Vol. 70, No. 3, pp. 281–294, 2001.</p>
<p>Or we could make a wish list and then add and subtract from it as the concept progresses!!</p>
<p>I have briefly considered that there will be property related issues in the design concept (ie access to the adjacent building for the water curtain installation and for use as a screen and signage surface.) I am not sure how far property and planning constraints should limit our conceptual thinking?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re outdoor heating, London has many pubs with outdoor butane heaters but I do not know of any examples where it is done with sustainable technology. Yet solar water heating is much more cost-effective than photo voltaic (PV) cells. It would be easy to plan a system using re-cycled radiators, recycled double glazing units and a valve to deliver warm water when required. In fact I think I could make a system using the materials thrown away by houses within 50m of my house within the past month! Since the system would need some management, I think it would work better in the care of a Wine Bar than in a completely public space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re outdoor heating, London has many pubs with outdoor butane heaters but I do not know of any examples where it is done with sustainable technology. Yet solar water heating is much more cost-effective than photo voltaic (PV) cells. It would be easy to plan a system using re-cycled radiators, recycled double glazing units and a valve to deliver warm water when required. In fact I think I could make a system using the materials thrown away by houses within 50m of my house within the past month! Since the system would need some management, I think it would work better in the care of a Wine Bar than in a completely public space.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ps. Also look at the sculpture! [http://www.wo-ge.at/wasser_licht/wasser_licht_e_1.html]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps. Also look at the sculpture! [http://www.wo-ge.at/wasser_licht/wasser_licht_e_1.html]</p>
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