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	<title>Comments on: iGardens, iCities, iArchitecture, iLandscapes, iPads and the Steve Jobs design theory</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Martha Schwartz and criticised her for it at the time http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/01/30/will-alsop-martha-schwartz-debate-landscape-architecture/  But we would have had to eat our words if the project had turned out to be wildly popular. This is what happened to I M Pei&#039;s design for the Louvre Pyramid. Eighty percent were against it during the design phase and now almost everyone loves it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Martha Schwartz and criticised her for it at the time <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/01/30/will-alsop-martha-schwartz-debate-landscape-architecture/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/01/30/will-alsop-martha-schwartz-debate-landscape-architecture/</a>  But we would have had to eat our words if the project had turned out to be wildly popular. This is what happened to I M Pei&#8217;s design for the Louvre Pyramid. Eighty percent were against it during the design phase and now almost everyone loves it.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;* ignore public consultation, and market research of all kinds, because ‘people do not know what they want until I have built it for them’&quot;

This reminds me of Martha Schwartz being interviewed by Kevin McCloud about her views on public consultation for the New Fryston Green project:

http://www.marthaschwartz.com/projects/fryston.html

You can have the pleasure of watching it here:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kevin-mccloud-and-the-big-town-plan/4od#2927027

Skip to 13:40 onwards to see the bit I refer to although the whole programme is interesing.

&quot;It&#039;s impossible to come out with anything of excellence if you have 100 people holding onto the same pencil&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;* ignore public consultation, and market research of all kinds, because ‘people do not know what they want until I have built it for them’&#8221;</p>
<p>This reminds me of Martha Schwartz being interviewed by Kevin McCloud about her views on public consultation for the New Fryston Green project:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marthaschwartz.com/projects/fryston.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marthaschwartz.com/projects/fryston.html</a></p>
<p>You can have the pleasure of watching it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kevin-mccloud-and-the-big-town-plan/4od#2927027" rel="nofollow">http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kevin-mccloud-and-the-big-town-plan/4od#2927027</a></p>
<p>Skip to 13:40 onwards to see the bit I refer to although the whole programme is interesing.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s impossible to come out with anything of excellence if you have 100 people holding onto the same pencil&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point Christine,

The marketing men knew what they were up to when naming the &#039;i&#039; series of products. Apple&#039;s mail service now ends with yourname@me.com, (used to be yourname@mac.com which i still have thankfully) This is one stage to far on the road of the &#039;individual&#039; , after all its all about me,me,me.

I think there is still a strong element of the &#039;International Style&#039; (the Shard in London) for its safety in conformity. Alas China has had a taste of the capitalist apple, so at present not much chance of the Buddhist ethic, maybe when they (we) finally realise that this apple is rotten and severe stomach ache causes a change of diet.

Back to the Zeitgeist Movement idea..a bit too Utopian and centrally controlled, but 80% of Utopia would not be bad start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point Christine,</p>
<p>The marketing men knew what they were up to when naming the &#8216;i&#8217; series of products. Apple&#8217;s mail service now ends with <a href="mailto:yourname@me.com">yourname@me.com</a>, (used to be <a href="mailto:yourname@mac.com">yourname@mac.com</a> which i still have thankfully) This is one stage to far on the road of the &#8216;individual&#8217; , after all its all about me,me,me.</p>
<p>I think there is still a strong element of the &#8216;International Style&#8217; (the Shard in London) for its safety in conformity. Alas China has had a taste of the capitalist apple, so at present not much chance of the Buddhist ethic, maybe when they (we) finally realise that this apple is rotten and severe stomach ache causes a change of diet.</p>
<p>Back to the Zeitgeist Movement idea..a bit too Utopian and centrally controlled, but 80% of Utopia would not be bad start.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently Buddha was not fond of &#039;i&#039;s, because unlike the classic philosophical statement of consciousness by Descrates &quot;i think therefore i am&quot;, Buddhism attempts to eliminate the focus on the self. Enlightment for Buddha was therefore different to the capitalist enlighted self-interest advocated by Adam Smith.

So does the west design i-cities? Perhaps China in rediscovering its cultural heritage and Buddhist past might be able to show the way to designing cities with a Buddhist ethic?
Perhaps they would be green?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Buddha was not fond of &#8216;i&#8217;s, because unlike the classic philosophical statement of consciousness by Descrates &#8220;i think therefore i am&#8221;, Buddhism attempts to eliminate the focus on the self. Enlightment for Buddha was therefore different to the capitalist enlighted self-interest advocated by Adam Smith.</p>
<p>So does the west design i-cities? Perhaps China in rediscovering its cultural heritage and Buddhist past might be able to show the way to designing cities with a Buddhist ethic?<br />
Perhaps they would be green?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a chat between &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve and Bill&lt;/a&gt;. I agree about AutoCAD and am a &#039;conscientious object&#039; to using it.
Re visionaries, would you put Charles Jencks in this category and, if so, have you been following the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.landscapeinstitute.org/news/index.php/news_articles/view/bad_role_models_for_landscape_architecture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Landscape Institute&#039;s News Report on Charles Jencks work&lt;/a&gt;?  My view is that the LI has (1) muddled the difference between News and Opinion,  [Since the comment from Tim Waterman is under the News tab on the LI website, people will take his view to be the official view of the Landscape Institute] (2) not appreciated that, although Jencks has not done much for Sustainability or for the User Experience, he IS carrying forward the anceint objective of using natural materials to interpret and represent the relationship between Man and Nature.  The &#039;traditional&#039; landscape profession has shied away from this quest, sadly. Weak theories lead to weak designs. Always have, always will. [Since the comment from Tim Waterman is under the News tab on the LI website, I take his view to be the official view of the Landscape Institute]
Thank you for the two Youtube links. Like the Average Man, I find myself watching more Youtube, more movies and ever-fewer made-for-TV programmes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a chat between <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Z7eal4uXI" rel="nofollow">Steve and Bill</a>. I agree about AutoCAD and am a &#8216;conscientious object&#8217; to using it.<br />
Re visionaries, would you put Charles Jencks in this category and, if so, have you been following the <a href="http://www.landscapeinstitute.org/news/index.php/news_articles/view/bad_role_models_for_landscape_architecture/" rel="nofollow">Landscape Institute&#8217;s News Report on Charles Jencks work</a>?  My view is that the LI has (1) muddled the difference between News and Opinion,  [Since the comment from Tim Waterman is under the News tab on the LI website, people will take his view to be the official view of the Landscape Institute] (2) not appreciated that, although Jencks has not done much for Sustainability or for the User Experience, he IS carrying forward the anceint objective of using natural materials to interpret and represent the relationship between Man and Nature.  The &#8216;traditional&#8217; landscape profession has shied away from this quest, sadly. Weak theories lead to weak designs. Always have, always will. [Since the comment from Tim Waterman is under the News tab on the LI website, I take his view to be the official view of the Landscape Institute]<br />
Thank you for the two Youtube links. Like the Average Man, I find myself watching more Youtube, more movies and ever-fewer made-for-TV programmes.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

Yet to read the fabled book.
 
The comments read well about the Jobs that we all know, determined and with absolute vision. Sink or swim, total commitment.

And yes I agree International design is dull, corporate and gives people the feeling of being dictated to by &#039;The Man.&#039; So no iSilvertown.

My real inspiration about the man is twofold. 
First, the understanding about the end user, if a person under 12 or over 60 can&#039;t use it then its too complicated. If it takes more than three intuitive moves to do anything, its too complicated, if it needs a large instruction manual ,its too complicated. Who buys the product? The end user, so who are we primarily designing for....you got it. Ockham&#039;s Razor.
This is were companies like AutoCAD get it so wrong, built by engineers for engineers. Command structures than need a whole new language to even understand what the command is let alone find the dam thing. Apple employ artists as well as engineers. The problem should never be placed upon the end user, the problem should be solved by the engineer so that the end user will never encounter it. Thus the product will be used, loved and forgiven for when it does fail (and sold at a premium). And thats why sketch-up (as an alternative to AutoCAD) is so popular designed for school children upward. 
Second, visionary. Bill gates was and is not a visionary, he is a business man who used the licence model to sell software at a premium, not because the product is any good, but you are tied in when purchasing a PC. Jobs on the other hand was about Vision, why can&#039;t we build a computer that the masses can use, and still look beautiful? Easy to use? Inter connecting with other products?

As Landscape Architects we desperately need visionaries, to state our claim to the space that buildings reside in, we are the primary designer on site, after all Architects put their buildings in our space!
We need to create a passion for the space that the people we serve will pick up on. Rather than a bland formulaic system that stinks of internationalism, an idea that has people and their needs and wellbeing at the heart of the design. Though the New Modernist (post post Modernism or maybe New Abstractionist) in me still has the desire in some cases to create the context, though this is as much about human scale, sitting, watching etc ie the South Bank

One more thing... Planned Obsolescence the curse of the modern age, the fuel that keeps the wasteful consumer society going (and Apple are not entirely innocent). Had a huge rant on my blog to the point that until we really tackle the problem on mass consumerism we will run out of oil and landfill (which for Computers is Ghana, unbelievable what is going on) and there will be big trouble, not the feeble chancer&#039;s of this Summer, I really think we are heading for some serious social unrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o&amp;feature=related

And if you have time, (first section not sure about the relevance and a bit of biased science, also the last Venus project designs zoning and internationalism, so great idea just could be better executed) The relevance of the film for us is core. No point building on a foundation of sand.
(unless i get an ipad, macbook air etc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

Bed and Site estimate tomorrow, 

Cheers Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>Yet to read the fabled book.</p>
<p>The comments read well about the Jobs that we all know, determined and with absolute vision. Sink or swim, total commitment.</p>
<p>And yes I agree International design is dull, corporate and gives people the feeling of being dictated to by &#8216;The Man.&#8217; So no iSilvertown.</p>
<p>My real inspiration about the man is twofold.<br />
First, the understanding about the end user, if a person under 12 or over 60 can&#8217;t use it then its too complicated. If it takes more than three intuitive moves to do anything, its too complicated, if it needs a large instruction manual ,its too complicated. Who buys the product? The end user, so who are we primarily designing for&#8230;.you got it. Ockham&#8217;s Razor.<br />
This is were companies like AutoCAD get it so wrong, built by engineers for engineers. Command structures than need a whole new language to even understand what the command is let alone find the dam thing. Apple employ artists as well as engineers. The problem should never be placed upon the end user, the problem should be solved by the engineer so that the end user will never encounter it. Thus the product will be used, loved and forgiven for when it does fail (and sold at a premium). And thats why sketch-up (as an alternative to AutoCAD) is so popular designed for school children upward.<br />
Second, visionary. Bill gates was and is not a visionary, he is a business man who used the licence model to sell software at a premium, not because the product is any good, but you are tied in when purchasing a PC. Jobs on the other hand was about Vision, why can&#8217;t we build a computer that the masses can use, and still look beautiful? Easy to use? Inter connecting with other products?</p>
<p>As Landscape Architects we desperately need visionaries, to state our claim to the space that buildings reside in, we are the primary designer on site, after all Architects put their buildings in our space!<br />
We need to create a passion for the space that the people we serve will pick up on. Rather than a bland formulaic system that stinks of internationalism, an idea that has people and their needs and wellbeing at the heart of the design. Though the New Modernist (post post Modernism or maybe New Abstractionist) in me still has the desire in some cases to create the context, though this is as much about human scale, sitting, watching etc ie the South Bank</p>
<p>One more thing&#8230; Planned Obsolescence the curse of the modern age, the fuel that keeps the wasteful consumer society going (and Apple are not entirely innocent). Had a huge rant on my blog to the point that until we really tackle the problem on mass consumerism we will run out of oil and landfill (which for Computers is Ghana, unbelievable what is going on) and there will be big trouble, not the feeble chancer&#8217;s of this Summer, I really think we are heading for some serious social unrest.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>And if you have time, (first section not sure about the relevance and a bit of biased science, also the last Venus project designs zoning and internationalism, so great idea just could be better executed) The relevance of the film for us is core. No point building on a foundation of sand.<br />
(unless i get an ipad, macbook air etc)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w</a></p>
<p>Bed and Site estimate tomorrow, </p>
<p>Cheers Tom</p>
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