Comments on: The definition of landscape urbanism http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/ News and debate from Gardenvisit.com Sun, 20 May 2012 04:57:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Peter Sheppard http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-8475 Peter Sheppard Fri, 25 Feb 2011 20:38:24 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-8475 Thanks Hossein! Here are some of my photos from just a few weeks ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteshep/sets/72157625495320685/ P :-) Thanks Hossein!
Here are some of my photos from just a few weeks ago:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteshep/sets/72157625495320685/

P :-)

]]> By: hossein talakoub http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-8473 hossein talakoub Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:32:21 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-8473 Esfahan is my favourite city. I was born there and it is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. It has very many famous tourist attractions and places for public sightseeing. Esfahan is my favourite city. I was born there and it is one of the most beautiful cities in the world. It has very many famous tourist attractions and places for public sightseeing.

]]> By: Peter Sheppard http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6886 Peter Sheppard Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:57:19 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6886 Christine In your 5 above you ask about 3D/fly through. Well, on my last page of old set on flickr I put links to a selection of 360deg and similar interactive views if you scroll down. You want a good broadband connection however. http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteshep/3866000005/in/set-72157622172791022/ P :-) Christine
In your 5 above you ask about 3D/fly through.
Well, on my last page of old set on flickr I put links to a selection of 360deg and similar interactive views if you scroll down. You want a good broadband connection however.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/peteshep/3866000005/in/set-72157622172791022/

P :-)

]]> By: Peter Sheppard http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6881 Peter Sheppard Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:14:52 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6881 Thanks Tom. I sent three photos following the comment. Incidentally, I've now looked at other photos taken on the trip and see several showing the pool calmly reflecting, so they already alternate, must have heard my suggestion :-) The three photos were Ali Qapu with reflection (a Persian tradition) in 1968. Early breakfast in the Square with water-jets beyond. (Late 2010) The under-construction link to reconnect the Bazaar. P :-) Thanks Tom. I sent three photos following the comment. Incidentally, I’ve now looked at other photos taken on the trip and see several showing the pool calmly reflecting, so they already alternate, must have heard my suggestion :-)
The three photos were Ali Qapu with reflection (a Persian tradition) in 1968.
Early breakfast in the Square with water-jets beyond. (Late 2010)
The under-construction link to reconnect the Bazaar.
P :-)

]]> By: Tom Turner http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6878 Tom Turner Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:58:51 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6878 Peter, thank you for the comment and for the invitation, which I will take up, to use your recent photographs and your information too. You can't upload pics yourself but I can do it for you. Tom Peter, thank you for the comment and for the invitation, which I will take up, to use your recent photographs and your information too. You can’t upload pics yourself but I can do it for you. Tom

]]> By: Peter Sheppard http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6871 Peter Sheppard Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:31:06 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6871 Further to this (Tom's) good topic, and Christine's kind link to my flickr Set (Isfahan 1968) in 7 above: I've just got back (NZ) from a wonderful trip in Iran. And of course Isfahan's Maidan Square -- now greatest urban picnic ground anywhere. Hundreds of new Iran photos. I'll get several Sets onto flickr by end of year hopefully. One intended is "Isfahan to Tehran". Two quick details meanwhile: My 1968 photo of Ali Qapu portal-palace shows its reflection in the central pool. Today there are the graceful water-jets showing in Tom's photo above, and several new of mine -- including light-catching just after sunrise. But the attractive water play prevents the reflections. Perhaps they could alternate?? Second detail is the Bazaar connection north. Modern traffic development cut right through the historic link from Safavid Maidan Square to the ancient Friday Mosque Old Town to the north. Criticized for decades. But now to my surprise and delight, I found arched framing under construction to re-form this link with traffic pushed below! Is there a method to upload photos here? Further to this (Tom’s) good topic, and Christine’s kind link to my flickr Set (Isfahan 1968) in 7 above:
I’ve just got back (NZ) from a wonderful trip in Iran. And of course Isfahan’s Maidan Square — now greatest urban picnic ground anywhere. Hundreds of new Iran photos. I’ll get several Sets onto flickr by end of year hopefully. One intended is “Isfahan to Tehran”.
Two quick details meanwhile: My 1968 photo of Ali Qapu portal-palace shows its reflection in the central pool. Today there are the graceful water-jets showing in Tom’s photo above, and several new of mine — including light-catching just after sunrise. But the attractive water play prevents the reflections. Perhaps they could alternate??
Second detail is the Bazaar connection north. Modern traffic development cut right through the historic link from Safavid Maidan Square to the ancient Friday Mosque Old Town to the north. Criticized for decades. But now to my surprise and delight, I found arched framing under construction to re-form this link with traffic pushed below!
Is there a method to upload photos here?

]]> By: Tom Turner http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6842 Tom Turner Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:30:06 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6842 Thank you for the links. The Maidan and Chahar Bagh present difficult problems and I agree with principles you suggest, because (1) the past character was of very high quality and unique to Isfahan (2) much information about the old character is available (3) the present character is not too bad but nor is it good enough. Still, I do not think a full-scale restoration is the best solution. My inclination would be to accept the principles of the old design but to adapt them for the circumstances of the twenty-first century. I think the Charhar Bagh should be pedestrianised and that it should be lined with water channels. So I then wonder if part of it should be as-accurate-as-possible restoration and the majority should be a fresh design using the old principles. Thank you for the links. The Maidan and Chahar Bagh present difficult problems and I agree with principles you suggest, because (1) the past character was of very high quality and unique to Isfahan (2) much information about the old character is available (3) the present character is not too bad but nor is it good enough.
Still, I do not think a full-scale restoration is the best solution. My inclination would be to accept the principles of the old design but to adapt them for the circumstances of the twenty-first century. I think the Charhar Bagh should be pedestrianised and that it should be lined with water channels. So I then wonder if part of it should be as-accurate-as-possible restoration and the majority should be a fresh design using the old principles.

]]> By: Ali Reza Feiznejad http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6834 Ali Reza Feiznejad Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:50:11 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6834 I'm SO sorry! 1- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/m3vqzx37wewqx7jxji9.jpg 2- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/z91nrwk7vu8sxp0onwf.jpg 3- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/5wse71xsmup9dvq3m1v0.jpg I’m SO sorry!

1- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/m3vqzx37wewqx7jxji9.jpg

2- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/z91nrwk7vu8sxp0onwf.jpg

3- http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/5wse71xsmup9dvq3m1v0.jpg

]]> By: Ali Reza Feiznejad http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6828 Ali Reza Feiznejad Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:18:32 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6828 Tom, I’m sorry for deferment in my comment. I don’t have enough time for analyse my maps from Isfahan. As a prologue, The Islamic architecture (Safavid era) has sketchy perception of Iranian architecture from Sassanid era, Since the Arabian aggressor in ultimate years of Sassanid empire ruining the art of architecture in Iran and Shah Abbas relief a lot of that in Isfahan (also Qazvin, Kashan and Ashraf). Therefore we need to re-consider in our view in 21 century for re-design Maidan. In fact Isfahan should better to originally design with a foreground by Sassanid architecture. I think that we most made antique design as a crucible for present design of Maidan. Unlike Iranian paradise, Iranian architecture has very changes in lapse of time. We need a new style that caused by last styles now. Charbagh (Chahar Bagh) is an antique style of garden design that we can re-consider this style for urban space and make a new Landscape that consonant with 21 century. It is not available now that restore oldest uses of private palace courtyards (like Choogan (or polo), Ghapoon Andazi (a game), festivals and displays); because nowadays the social use of Maidan suppress this. http://www.ecapic.ir/image2/ECA-101125230145.jpg Gardens as a texture of urban landscapes in Isfahan, since Charbagh Street has a linkage with Gardens. http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/m3vqzx37wewqx7jxji9.jpg I seem the good urban landscape is available if we provide gardens around the Maidan. http://www.ecapic.ir/image2/ECA-101125233548.jpg As such streets linked these gardens and perforce we have way on Charbagh Abbasi Street! Tom, I’m sorry for deferment in my comment. I don’t have enough time for analyse my maps from Isfahan.

As a prologue, The Islamic architecture (Safavid era) has sketchy perception of Iranian architecture from Sassanid era, Since the Arabian aggressor in ultimate years of Sassanid empire ruining the art of architecture in Iran and Shah Abbas relief a lot of that in Isfahan (also Qazvin, Kashan and Ashraf). Therefore we need to re-consider in our view in 21 century for re-design Maidan. In fact Isfahan should better to originally design with a foreground by Sassanid architecture. I think that we most made antique design as a crucible for present design of Maidan. Unlike Iranian paradise, Iranian architecture has very changes in lapse of time. We need a new style that caused by last styles now. Charbagh (Chahar Bagh) is an antique style of garden design that we can re-consider this style for urban space and make a new Landscape that consonant with 21 century.

It is not available now that restore oldest uses of private palace courtyards (like Choogan (or polo), Ghapoon Andazi (a game), festivals and displays); because nowadays the social use of Maidan suppress this.
http://www.ecapic.ir/image2/ECA-101125230145.jpg

Gardens as a texture of urban landscapes in Isfahan, since Charbagh Street has a linkage with Gardens.
http://www.pic.iran-forum.ir/images/m3vqzx37wewqx7jxji9.jpg

I seem the good urban landscape is available if we provide gardens around the Maidan.
http://www.ecapic.ir/image2/ECA-101125233548.jpg

As such streets linked these gardens and perforce we have way on Charbagh Abbasi Street!

]]> By: Tom Turner http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2010/11/05/the-definition-of-landscape-urbanism/comment-page-1/#comment-6699 Tom Turner Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:00:05 +0000 http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/?p=5842#comment-6699 Dear Ali Reza, thank you for your comments. I agree with your view that, since Sassanid architecture was the major influence on Islamic architecture, it would be reasonable to categorize the resulting architectural and landscape forms as Persian. With regard to the Maidan in Isfahan, do you think it would be interesting to have a competition for the re-design of Maidan (and perhaps the stretch of the Chahar Bagh between the Maidan and the Zayandeh River)? We held an <a href="http://www.gardenvisit.com/history_theory/chinese_landscape_architecture_competition" rel="nofollow">urban landscape architecture competition for Tiananman Square in Beijing</a> which produced interesting results. Dear Ali Reza, thank you for your comments. I agree with your view that, since Sassanid architecture was the major influence on Islamic architecture, it would be reasonable to categorize the resulting architectural and landscape forms as Persian.

With regard to the Maidan in Isfahan, do you think it would be interesting to have a competition for the re-design of Maidan (and perhaps the stretch of the Chahar Bagh between the Maidan and the Zayandeh River)? We held an urban landscape architecture competition for Tiananman Square in Beijing which produced interesting results.

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