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	<title>Comments on: Acoustic noise barriers and sustainable landscape architecture</title>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2574</link>
		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most international agreements refer to the principle of technology transfer. If wealthy countries did not spend money on developing technology to overcome problems of the environment, human health and human settlement etc there would be nothing to share with poorer countries...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most international agreements refer to the principle of technology transfer. If wealthy countries did not spend money on developing technology to overcome problems of the environment, human health and human settlement etc there would be nothing to share with poorer countries&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Benz</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2504</link>
		<dc:creator>Benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without EU directives and muscle we would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. UK governments in the past and present do not care about noise, where it is apparently obvious that the governments in many EU countries do and have done so for many years.  What happens in the UK regarding actual noise reduction is miniscule compared to what is achieved in noisy environments in most EU countries.  Why is this?  I don&#039;t really know, but I think it has mainly to do with the public&#039;s apathy in general and because there is no &#039;champion&#039; or &#039;Tzar&#039; to tackle the subject.  Can I also say that this discussion would not occur in the developing world.  Noise is not an issue.  People are not going to put money into noise mitigation when basic services are missing and people are dying because of this.  So what we are talking about here is more or less a luxury, although for me an important luxury.  The principle that the polluter pays should be held to and thus if road, rail and air traffic increase noise levels, then these &#039;industries&#039; should pay: in the first instance to provide solutions where noise does not become a problem and secondly where it is already a problem steps should be taken to reduce the noise to acceptable levels.  If this cannot be achieved then the road, rail and air services should be shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without EU directives and muscle we would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. UK governments in the past and present do not care about noise, where it is apparently obvious that the governments in many EU countries do and have done so for many years.  What happens in the UK regarding actual noise reduction is miniscule compared to what is achieved in noisy environments in most EU countries.  Why is this?  I don&#8217;t really know, but I think it has mainly to do with the public&#8217;s apathy in general and because there is no &#8216;champion&#8217; or &#8216;Tzar&#8217; to tackle the subject.  Can I also say that this discussion would not occur in the developing world.  Noise is not an issue.  People are not going to put money into noise mitigation when basic services are missing and people are dying because of this.  So what we are talking about here is more or less a luxury, although for me an important luxury.  The principle that the polluter pays should be held to and thus if road, rail and air traffic increase noise levels, then these &#8216;industries&#8217; should pay: in the first instance to provide solutions where noise does not become a problem and secondly where it is already a problem steps should be taken to reduce the noise to acceptable levels.  If this cannot be achieved then the road, rail and air services should be shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2490</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the concept of quiet areas too, I would have attended the recent conference on Tranquil Spaces (re: EU Directive on Environmental Noise), by the Mayor of London&#039;s Office if I hadn&#039;t had classes - however I don&#039;t know how valuable it would have been. 
Building Design online provide a review 
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3151072# 
said that the rsearch present was thought provoking but the Aviation Environmental Federation http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:pO_WNbhNDckJ:www.aef.org.uk/uploads/Tranquil_spaces_conf.doc+london+zoo+quiet+conference&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk 
found the conference &#039;tedious&#039; except for the final speaker who forwarded that the Eu should opt out of the directive so that resources are used to do something about noise, rather than research it, as virtually nothing being done at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the concept of quiet areas too, I would have attended the recent conference on Tranquil Spaces (re: EU Directive on Environmental Noise), by the Mayor of London&#8217;s Office if I hadn&#8217;t had classes &#8211; however I don&#8217;t know how valuable it would have been.<br />
Building Design online provide a review<br />
<a href="http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3151072#" rel="nofollow">http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3151072#</a><br />
said that the rsearch present was thought provoking but the Aviation Environmental Federation <a href="http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:pO_WNbhNDckJ:www.aef.org.uk/uploads/Tranquil_spaces_conf.doc+london+zoo+quiet+conference&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk" rel="nofollow">http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:pO_WNbhNDckJ:www.aef.org.uk/uploads/Tranquil_spaces_conf.doc+london+zoo+quiet+conference&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk</a><br />
found the conference &#8216;tedious&#8217; except for the final speaker who forwarded that the Eu should opt out of the directive so that resources are used to do something about noise, rather than research it, as virtually nothing being done at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Benz</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2381</link>
		<dc:creator>Benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, agreed, agreed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, agreed, agreed</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion I have reached is that the focus should be on making Quiet Areas, rather than on &quot;Barriers&quot; but I most certainly agree that any barriers which are built should be multi-purpose. I see this as one of the cardinal principles of landscape planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion I have reached is that the focus should be on making Quiet Areas, rather than on &#8220;Barriers&#8221; but I most certainly agree that any barriers which are built should be multi-purpose. I see this as one of the cardinal principles of landscape planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where fast busy noisy roads pass close to the ears/lungs of citizens (mostly between population centres), we should be designing alternative energy production that doubles as an ENB then triples as an air cleaner and also looks amazing. 
Where slow busy smelly roads (ie inside population centres) pass close to citizens they should be closed/re-routed/buried/access only!
When new fast roads are being designed they should be designed with all their environmental impacts being mitigated by design (noise and air pollution) and should additionally give back to society/nature (some way to have net environmental gain).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where fast busy noisy roads pass close to the ears/lungs of citizens (mostly between population centres), we should be designing alternative energy production that doubles as an ENB then triples as an air cleaner and also looks amazing.<br />
Where slow busy smelly roads (ie inside population centres) pass close to citizens they should be closed/re-routed/buried/access only!<br />
When new fast roads are being designed they should be designed with all their environmental impacts being mitigated by design (noise and air pollution) and should additionally give back to society/nature (some way to have net environmental gain).</p>
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		<title>By: Benz</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2357</link>
		<dc:creator>Benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some interesting examples. Every action in the landscape affects microclimate in some way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some interesting examples. Every action in the landscape affects microclimate in some way.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2353</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transparent ENB&#039;s are also being used to modify the microclimate of developments.
[ http://www.cdnarchitect.com/asf/principles_of_enclosure/environmental_mediation/environmental_mediation.htm ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transparent ENB&#8217;s are also being used to modify the microclimate of developments.<br />
[ <a href="http://www.cdnarchitect.com/asf/principles_of_enclosure/environmental_mediation/environmental_mediation.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdnarchitect.com/asf/principles_of_enclosure/environmental_mediation/environmental_mediation.htm</a> ]</p>
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		<title>By: Benz</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2335</link>
		<dc:creator>Benz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best ENB&#039;s are those that are not generally recognised as ENB&#039;s.  Take the promenade at Park de Bercy.  A perfect example of an ENB functioning to mitigate noise into the park from the dual carriageways of &#039;Quai de Bercy&#039; but also providing a place for promenade, a place for fountains (which also mask noise), a place for sculpture, sitting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best ENB&#8217;s are those that are not generally recognised as ENB&#8217;s.  Take the promenade at Park de Bercy.  A perfect example of an ENB functioning to mitigate noise into the park from the dual carriageways of &#8216;Quai de Bercy&#8217; but also providing a place for promenade, a place for fountains (which also mask noise), a place for sculpture, sitting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.gardenvisit.com/blog/2009/10/01/acoustic-noise-barriers-and-sustainable-landscape-architecture/comment-page-1/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree: it is very simple and very non-intrusive in the urban environment. Structures like this could work well on the Victoria Embankment. We need to apply context theory to decide when acoustic barriers should be Similar, Identical or Different to their settings. Some of the innovative examples are great but there are not too many places where I would want them to be built.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: it is very simple and very non-intrusive in the urban environment. Structures like this could work well on the Victoria Embankment. We need to apply context theory to decide when acoustic barriers should be Similar, Identical or Different to their settings. Some of the innovative examples are great but there are not too many places where I would want them to be built.</p>
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